another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

No In favor of a douchebag of the first order willfully removing himself from our shores and our airwaves. My distaste for him has zero to do with his statements on gun control. The three days during hurricane Sandy that I was without local news and was forced to listen to him and Anderson Cooper on CNN to have an idea of where the storm was going was dreadful.

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He is a truly awful man — with that I agree with you. But I'd much rather you kept him!

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Very much so! Great ideas. :up: That's how these things get done (right); with people who are pushing for the same goal (increasing public safety and lessening firearms related violence) making contributions.





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As much as I used to be for open gun shows, I've just witnessed too much funny business at the past several shows I've attended to keep that position (the most recent being the weekend before Christmas).

I understand your point about item #4. Actually, several of those concepts would need to be cleaned up and better written. I mean, under those reforms, Brian Moynihan of Bank of America and Stuart Gulliver of HSBC might find themselves in bracelets for allowing money laundering that benefited drug cartels and gun smuggling operations. In addition to my draconian fines, there would also be some heavy jail time for those who *should* have known or who didn't put measures in place to prevent these crimes. One thing I have learned about big business: the top dogs will never allow any sort of (known) funny business if there is a real possibility that it might affect their life and liberty. Isn't it funny that banks were able to trace small denomination money orders ($100 and less) that wound up going to Al Qaeda, but they seem completely oblivious to the hundreds of billions that flow through accounts benefiting drug cartels? But yeah, I understand your concern about getting small, (mostly) innocent fish in the net. I'd hate for that to happen (and I'm not judging your buddy), but another tactic that people in business often rely on when something illegal/improper happens is "plausible deniability". I just wanted to get some ideas out there as quickly as I could.

A little later, I'll try to further verify the data on what percentage of murders is committed by people previously charged and/or convicted of a violent crime or maybe any felony. From several sources, it seems that they do indeed represent a disproportionate contribution to the issue of firearms related violence in the United States. And it makes me very sad that those who talk about this issue as strictly one which involves "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines (not just the people here) will not engage in a discussion on how to address the issue of keeping guns out of the hands of those who are already known to be violent or insane.

BTW, I am actually surprised that the gun owners here were largely OK with several of those conceptual ideas. Starter even added to them. I think he's a secret Soros/Bloomberg fan. We better keep an eye on him from now on! :D

Great contributions, guys! I hope that we now get some comments, modifications and/or additions from our European members.

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I think you find that most law abiding, responsible gun owners have little objection to regulations and registration, which is one of the reasons I am not a member of the NRA.


Strip the heinous nature of the mass shootings out of the equation and take a hard look at the reality of the majority of murders involving firearms in this country, I think you will find the majority are drug related, gang related, and unfortunately, highly race related. Gun buy-back programs, restrictions on "assault" weapons and further tightening already strict gun regulations will not get guns out of the hands of these types of criminals. People always have the ability to turn a fire arm in to any law enforcement agency at any time if they don't want to have firearms in their homes. You don't think those buy backs have been financially motivated? Hold an open weapons turn in program and see what we get.

Our courts need to lock criminals that use firearms up, put them to work and keep them there or give the m the option of taking the cowards way out. I live in one of the tightest gun control states in the US and you know what? We have one of the highest murder rates in the country involving firearms. Criminals literally laugh at being arrested around here. Project Exile has been a joke and the so called war on drugs has been comical. You want to eliminate murder on the streets of Baltimore and most US cities, eliminate heroin and crack cocaine.

I know all about BOA and Citi. I worked for both and got out of that business 20 years ago. Unfortunately, my wife is still in the industry biding her time. I think she has roughly 18 months.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

He is a truly awful man — with that I agree with you. But I'd much rather you kept him!

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I think they were simply looking for someone even more arrogant and rude than Simon Cowell when they hired him for America's got talent and we got stuck with him. He's here by choice unfortunately, but if it' really so bad and distasteful to him to live here, he's certainly free to leave. Thankfully my television tuner works just fine. If we could eliminate CNN AND FOX News in some sort of epic newsroom showdown, it would be a happy day for me.

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

I think they were simply looking for someone even more arrogant and rude than Simon Cowell when they hired him for America's got talent and we got stuck with him. He's here by choice unfortunately, but if it' really so bad and distasteful to him to live here, he's certainly free to leave. Thankfully my television tuner works just fine. If we could eliminate CNN AND FOX News in some sort of epic newsroom showdown, it would be a happy day for me.

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I genuinely believe Piers Morgan to probably suffer from some sort of personality disorder, such does he come across.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Starter even added to them. I think he's a secret Soros/Bloomberg fan. We better keep an eye on him from now on! :D

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Bite your tongue!!! :p

Why don't you like Soros/Bloomberg?

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Originally Posted by nigelred5

I think you find that most law abiding, responsible gun owners have little objection to regulations and registration, which is one of the reasons I am not a member of the NRA.


Strip the heinous nature of the mass shootings out of the equation and take a hard look at the reality of the majority of murders involving firearms in this country, I think you will find the majority are drug related, gang related, and unfortunately, highly race related. Gun buy-back programs, restrictions on "assault" weapons and further tightening already strict gun regulations will not get guns out of the hands of these types of criminals. People always have the ability to turn a fire arm in to any law enforcement agency at any time if they don't want to have firearms in their homes. You don't think those buy backs have been financially motivated? Hold an open weapons turn in program and see what we get.

Our courts need to lock criminals that use firearms up, put them to work and keep them there or give the m the option of taking the cowards way out. I live in one of the tightest gun control states in the US and you know what? We have one of the highest murder rates in the country involving firearms. Criminals literally laugh at being arrested around here. Project Exile has been a joke and the so called war on drugs has been comical. You want to eliminate murder on the streets of Baltimore and most US cities, eliminate heroin and crack cocaine.

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I agree with all that you've written there. But as for eliminating coke and heroin, there's too much money in it to ever think that it can or will be eliminated. Did you ever watch the amazingly great series The Wire? Most of my law enforcement pals have commented that that series was 100% dead on the mark. The (so called) War on Drugs has been nothing short of a joke and a dog & pony show put on for naive people.... kinda like thinking that banning AK's will lessen the murder rate one iota.

The lyrics from the old 80's classic, Smuggler's Blues, say it all:

See it in the headlines,
You hear it ev'ry day.
They say they're gonna stop it,
But it doesn't go away.
They move it through Miami, sell it in L.A.,
They hide it up in Telluride,
I mean it's here to stay.
It's propping up the governments in Columbia and Peru,
You ask any D.E.A. man,
He'll say There's nothin' we can do,
From the office of the President,
Right down to me and you, me and you.

It's a losing proposition,
But one you can't refuse.
It's the politics of contraband,
It's the smuggler's blues.

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I know all about BOA and Citi. I worked for both and got out of that business 20 years ago. Unfortunately, my wife is still in the industry biding her time. I think she has roughly 18 months.

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That's ironic. I was working in banking in Maryland back then. It will be really funny if we eventually meet at a race and both of us say, at the same time, "Say, don't I know you from somewhere???" The money was great. But it's nice to wake up and be able to like/respect myself again... without the feeling that I need to take a shower to get "clean" when I get home from work - but the dirty feeling just wouldn't go away after awhile.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Bite your tongue!!! :p

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:D

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Why don't you like Soros/Bloomberg?

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Based on their anti-gun views, it's kind of an inside joke among us gun nuts. Sort of like me saying to Daniel that he has a secret love for iMacs or someone saying to me that I have a life size poster of Tony George above my bed. :mad:

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

So basically, we(USA) are screwed.

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We were screwed when the Entitlement class approached to being the majority voting group and thus now just vote for more stuff from the Government. Add in a few % with White, liberal guilt and voila.........Totally screwed.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The difference being of course that in 1941 the American people pulled together in order to defeat a common enemy. Not only will that not be the case here but a great deal of people explicitly do not want to and will fight in the other direction.

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The difference is that now the enemy is a significant portion of the US Population who are drinking the Kool-Aid forced fed them by the Media.

I have already shown how the police are under no legal or moral obligation to protect the people and history is full of "Well intentioned" governments turning on its people and yet people still think that a unarmed populace is a good thing.

Sad.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

This is the only time Morgan, a fool of the second order (I would say 'first', but there are one or two others I'd rank in front of him) and congenital liar, has ever been right.

Are you in favour of his deportation?

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Nope. I defend his right to say whatever he wants to say. Even if its is the vile, despicable, ignorant, crap that he likes to spew.

BTW I like the way he starts out saying he has shot everything from "Magnum 45 handguns"

Excuse me? First I don't believe that wussy has ever fired a gun without crying like the little Brit Girlie man but there is NO SUCH THING AS A "MAGNUM 45"

So his opinion is based on either ignorance or a lie. Something that all arguments for the destruction of basic human rights are usually based on.