Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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Originally Posted by henners88

First of all I'd like to say that its refreshing to have such a level and well reasoned response during a debate. ;)

I'll accept you explanation as I myself was not present during the briefings at Maranello, therefore I cannot comment fully on how hard Kimi tried to get things his way. I can only speculate from what I've read and seen. It's also great to know that such a small snippet of footage containing Kimi eating an ice cream in Malaysia, holds enough water to prove that he lacked motivation when developing the car. In fact I am annoyed that I failed to draw this rather obvious conclusion myself. Its amazing how much information one can learn from the television IMO.

Now thats been answered maybe we can move on and away from the jibes.. :)

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Or maybe you can provide some evidence to your claims, since you question the validity of my view.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Or maybe you can provide some evidence to your claims, since you question the validity of my view.

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Kimis future surely seems to interest a lot. What I dont get is why people keep bashing him and his attitude while he´s gone from Ferrari? The tifosi have their Spanish wet dream come true, so isnt it time to move on?

Or is the prospect of getting beaten by Kimi in a Mercedes too much a nightmare fro you guys?

Ive said before, but having Kimi in the other Merc car will make 2010 the mother of all seasons. Lets all hope that materialises.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

So, if it wasn't a lack of motivation, what was it that made Kimi allow such a situation to develop whereby car-changes suited Massa and he needed his manager to help him?

A lack of guts?

I can't imagine Lewis or Fernando being so gutless.

Kimi was paid to be a team leader. To allow his team-mate to dominate the garage, especially when that team-mate is Massa, not exactly the toughest nut, is a dereliction of his contractual obligations. He was lucky to get a pay-off, since I'd have sacked him the day he let Massa get the better of him.

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If Ferrari wanted a team leader, they chose the wrong driver. Kimi is an excellent racing driver but he is not interested in doing other people's jobs or kicking them in the but. Over here that kind of behavior is not needed and when Kimi was hired, they had a team leader in Jean Todt. If Häkkinen had gone to Ferrari (at a time where the management wasn't particularly strong or convincing) we would have seen a similar result, since he would not have stepped on other people's toes to get what he wants.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Or maybe you can provide some evidence to your claims, since you question the validity of my view.

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I don't understand! :confused: What do you have against ice cream?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Exactly, I think that rather than trying to accuse Kimi of lacking motivation, we should delve a little deeper and realise it was Ferrari that failed in this instance, not Kimi. The team was built around MS and he is excellent at driving the team forward in a fashion that Ferrari were missing for two decades. Luca decided that he didn't want to pay an older driver a huge champions salary especially as he had been beaten the previous season by Alonso. This was where they went wrong IMO. Luca wanted a new era of success and he chose Raikkonen as a tool to get MS to make a decison on his future. It was stay and drive alongside Raikkonen or go. Relationships broke down between Luca and Todt over driver choice and sponsorship, and we are left with the buck passing we have today.

Kimi is an excellent driver, but he's no team leader as DexDexter said above.. :)

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But same time Schumacher hade very good relation to Felipe and liked to see him as champion – and his good relation to the team made that Felipe become in reality as a first driver in the team - with help with his “Big brother” Schumi as advisor.
So Felipe hade his chance both 2007 and 2008, 2007 he was unlucky and the team decided to go for Kimi in a situation there it in reality was very difficult (almost impossible) to win the title anymore. But despite that Kimi become the World Champion 2007 after a super driving and whole team behind him.. even Felipe helped him in that ..

Also 2008 the car was fitted to Felipe and it was only because Kimis all-round talent which made it more equal for them – Kimi hade a “Ruben’s job” – to help Felipe to get the title.. and he did it .. 2009 the same Felipe was the first driver, but the construction of the car was not good enough to win the title – but even 2009 it was clearly show able that after Felipes accident the team gave Kimi full support and the results were much better .. in that car I would say SUPER .. Fisi understood it in fully first when was driving it..

Now Ferrari get “Santander money” to pay out their latest champion from F1 – but after al I’m not that much surprised that Kimi let them do it .. He has his title (despite he wasn’t the first driver) and to work in the team which doesn’t want him .. 17 million dollar is much money … to do NOT WORK.. and Kimi can always do something other.. Rally is one possibility..

Bur for me, newer more Ferrari ..
- I have seen too much.. All b*** s*** , whoi can forget what they did against Rubens, when Schumacher used even his talent to win his WDC-titles. Austria 2002 did show to every one it clearly – when Rubens was forced to give away his win to Michael Schumacher - i will never forget when Schumi explained after the race how “important” it was for the team that “he will win!!” – and he did it in a situation there he was leading the championship having 144 points against Rubens 77 and Rubens was on second place..

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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei

Kimis future surely seems to interest a lot. What I dont get is why people keep bashing him and his attitude while he´s gone from Ferrari?

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Why not?!

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Originally Posted by truefan72

where will he go, waht will he do

1. I hope he comes back to McLaren. It would make an excellent team and we would have 2 race winning cars

2. He might leave F1 altogether. To me this is less likely despite his love affair with rallying. I recall many years back when F1 drivers would (were allowed by their teams to) compete in other racing series and races. Why should it be any different for Kimi. at 29, Kimi is in the peak performance window of an F1 driver and he will likely continue in the top flight successfully both on track and financially if he can.

3. I hear Renault is courting him with Nokia joining the courtship. I heard he as already refused a $45 mill deal from Renault (which should extinguish any notion of them leaving the sport. soon after this nonsense inquiry from the FIA ceases)

4. A megadeal with the new incarnation of BMW. They have the team, the cars and with a decent engine the right setup to be a top competitor so, he might take a stab there with some serious cash and well developed chasis.

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McLaren is out of the question.

Mercedes is buying Braun and has a german driver. Shui is all talk for the spare spot. My money is on Raki as a champion driver (one of few available) will fill the spot. Nothing else makes sense.

Does it really make sense to hire Kimi as one of two driver? I don't think so. The role of a racing driver in f1 has become more integrated and he is not prepared to act on behalf of the team outside of the car.

Ferrari ought to continue pushing for allowing a third car and then rehire Kimi. That way they can benefit from him at tracks like Spa and require nothng else.

I think Kimi would like a situation where he could race in rallies he chooses as well as grand prix he could choose. No pr or anything else required.

Turn up at weekends, do his thing and go home. It may make the other drivers disgruntled, not Massa, but we all know what a girl Alonso can be!

I really do think that Bernie or Todt or SOMEONE should step in and try mediate - because we will all miss Raikkonen. And these days whats the point of winning at Spa when Kimi will not be there??!!!

Surely nobody has forgotten just how brilliant this great Finnish driver can be?

well I am not Mr Contract but what I understand to date is that Ferrari is on the hook for his 45 mil pay ticket for 2010. Further more there is probably a non compete for him to get the money. I doubt any team on the grid is going to pay 45 mil next year for a driver. So I suppose Kimi is not in the mood to take a big pay cut. Therefore SMART MONEY says go to the bench for a year.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Except that's a crap example, as Fernando did everything in his power to gain the upper hand, or at least a semblance of parity. That he failed wasn't through a lack of trying.

Kimi, on the other hand, ate a fecking ice cream.

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Im sure Fernando has a clause in his contract saying: If the KERS fails and youre not to get anywhere near the damn thing, you must stay in regulated proximity, stand guard, look highly motivated and absolutely under no circumstances eat ice cream.