Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Even if Max wins, as he probably should, the reputation of the FIA will have been affected by this and the ongoing ramifications are yet to be realised.

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Don't forget to start a thread in a few years time, after you find those yet not realized ramifications! ;)

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I'm sure you could find dozens of articles that make no mention of that, and yet when announcing that Max Mosley was taking legal action in France his lawyer made clear it was a factor.

Entirely misleading. The point was not that that fact "is significant to the court action in London". It is that it raises legitimate questions about this being a purely private case that affects no-one but Max Mosley as you claim.

That does not square with your opinion that there has been no damage to the FIA, and that this is simply a case of a private individual seeking damages.

So if we are to remove all mention of the FIA it can be proved that the FIA are not involved. That's a very strong argument you have there.

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I see you haven't provided the requested evidence.

However, for the sake of 'discussion', the thing you like so much even though you seem to have a severe problem with basing that on factual evidence, I will respond to your points.....

Max Mosley's lawyer pointed out that the News of the World had attempted to destroy his clients position as head of the FIA. In seeking a court action against them, in Paris, the base of the FIA, then it is obvious that his client wished to protect his own professional position from what he claims were lies.

In no way does that damage the FIA. The lawyer specifically states that -

"There is a characteristic desire to cause harm. The intention is clear: destroy Max Mosley as President of the FIA, the headquarters of which is in Paris."

The key word being 'him', not 'them'. Just to make things obvious....'Him' replies to the person, 'Them' would mean the FIA. Since 'Them' is not used, it is a private individual being talked about.

With regard to Anthony Scrivener QC being employed by the FIA to provide a report for the Extraordinary General Meeting, they are merely following what all decent employer would do when an employee is accused of something, namely to get legal advice so that a fair and informed decision can be made.

Presumably, from your objection to this, you did not wish to see the FIA take legal advice, or to follow due diligence or to even be fair & informed?

Just because you are neither fair nor informed, it does not stand that the FIA should also be such.

And now the really juicy bit....

"So if we are to remove all mention of the FIA it can be proved that the FIA are not involved. That's a very strong argument you have there"

Thank you for confirming the strength of my argument.

I asked you for specific evidence that the FIA was involved....which you have failed to provide. Mere reference to the FIA being Mosley's employer in reports is not good enough. It rather proves the opposite to your claims.

If you want real discussion, learn to back up your arguments with evidence, facts and sense.

I await your evidence to support your claims.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I see you haven't provided the requested evidence.

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It's already here in this thread. You've chosen to dismiss it. By wanting to remove the FIA from the equation and ignoring anything that illustrates the effect it has had beyond Max Mosley the private individual then your conclusions are inevitable.

I don't believe it is possible to view things in isolation in that way, and therefore I disagree with your conclusions.

Dont remeber Bill Clinton getting caught with 5 prostitutes, besides he's a pollitician we all know they lie.....

TV watch. Max was again slaughtered on TV last night on MOCK THE WEEK. He was mentioned more than once. BBC2 2200.

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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

Dont remeber Bill Clinton getting caught with 5 prostitutes, besides he's a pollitician we all know they lie.....

TV watch. Max was again slaughtered on TV last night on MOCK THE WEEK. He was mentioned more than once. BBC2 2200.

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Slick Willy had an affair with an intern or whatever she was. But some on this forum seem to think adultery is acceptable. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Slick Willy had an affair with an intern or whatever she was. But some on this forum seem to think adultery is acceptable. :rolleyes:

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I think it depends on the individual relationship!
His wife didn't complain (for whatever reason you may think)
She, Monica, and Bill were the only ones that it affected. IMHO

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I think it depends on the individual relationship!
His wife didn't complain (for whatever reason you may think)
She, Monica, and Bill were the only ones that it affected. IMHO

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:p : Hillary & Chelesa both complained... bitterly,

over the sex scandal.

;) For a time... the only friend Bill had... was his dog

and rumor was

that the dog wasn't fully committed to supporting Bill.

:dozey: As for your constant harping that Spanky's actions haven't brought the FIA in disrepute....

The continuing coverage by the press...

along with Foreign leaders, and Automobile Associations (six of which are presently considering withdrawing from the FIA), refusing to meet with Spanky,

Clearly demostrate that Max's refusal to resign after the publicity about his Sex Scandal, is harmful to the FIA and Motorsports.

:s mokin: Trumper

Sorry, I just cannot get a Bumper Sticker I saw out of my head. It read:

"I'm voting for the Interns, Lovers, Wife"!

Perhaps we will soon see:

"I support the Mistresses, Punters, Ex-Friends racing series"! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Bill Clinton was caught, did this have a negative impact on the whole US?!
Don't think so! Why is that? Because people around the World doesn't have such a tight vision like those on this forum.

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You are so right, Billy boy gets caught, MaXy gets caught, so two wrongs do make a right. :D

Of course, Billy boy had an excuse, he was married to Hillary :burp: so he had to ......

Fact of the matter, if someone is going to be President of the USA, or Prime Minister, or some such, I expect him or her or "heshe" to be honest and responsible, someone worthy of trust and respect.

The same with sport, I would want to know the umpire is above reproach, and not some part time pimp and a cheating liar, worrying according to one of his own witnesses about covering the costs of his "theater" productions. And if a man lies to family, and cheats on them, he would lie to and cheat anyone.


I know call me a silly idealistic dreamer unaware of the real world, but without honor, we are nothing
Personally, I think violating anyone's privacy is a very serious wrong and injustice. OTOH, once it is out there, the damage is done..

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It's already here in this thread. You've chosen to dismiss it. By wanting to remove the FIA from the equation and ignoring anything that illustrates the effect it has had beyond Max Mosley the private individual then your conclusions are inevitable.

I don't believe it is possible to view things in isolation in that way, and therefore I disagree with your conclusions.

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There is no evidence that the FIA has been damaged, yet you choose to ignore that.

There is no evidence that the FIA is involved in a private individuals legal case, yet you chose to ignore that.

There is no evidence to support any of your arguments, therefore you have no worthwhile conclusion to agree with.

If you really want 'discussion', then you have to have something tangible to support your argument, yet you have constantly and repeatedly failed to bring anything tangible into the discussion.

All you have brought is your pre-determined dislike of Mosley. You have elected to use the News of the World article as a bat with which to beat him, regardless as to whether the article was truthful or not.

You have deliberately ignored the facts presented to you.