Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Cheating in the sport and lying to the FIA, the media and the fans (like you and me) is a disregard to us as people who love the sport.

Cheating and lying to one's partner is a disregard to her/his partner and not to me.

In the first case I feel offended because my support to this sport in the second case it is not my business, it's they private problem.

I hope this makes things clear about my POV on these matters.

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To some extent.

If your wife was a professional sportsperson and was found cheating, but had been entirely faithful and loving to you, would you chuck her out?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I really couldn't care what he gets up to with a few Prostitutes or that his long suffering wife and family have been lied to. That's a matter for them.

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OK!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I find it funny that the people personally attacking Ron and McLaren for being McLiars are the ones saying that lying to ones family is fine when it suits them :D .

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Why are you quoting me when you make such a statement! I've never attacked Ron's personal life! I don't believe I've used the term Mcliars either!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

What I do care about is that F1 is being dragged through the mire by association and that the FIA has been corrupted to be Max's little Army.

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That is a perception. It is not an empiracal fact!
Max winning a civil case for invasion of privacy will be an empiracal statement
in a very short period of time. As of now it is an opinnion. My opinnnion.
If you have a problem with IOAN's comments, quote him please!

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

To some extent.

If your wife was a professional sportsperson and was found cheating, but had been entirely faithful and loving to you, would you chuck her out?

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If she didn't lie to me about her cheating during the sports tournament then I wouldn't. ;)
After all this is what we are talking about, who was lying to whom.

And BTW who said Ms. Mosley didn't knew about her husbands sexual escapades?!

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Originally Posted by ioan

And BTW who said Ms. Mosley didn't knew about her husbands sexual escapades?!

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Max.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Max.

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OK, I didn't knew about these details.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Funny how there is no mention of the FIA headquarters being in Paris.

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I'm sure you could find dozens of articles that make no mention of that, and yet when announcing that Max Mosley was taking legal action in France his lawyer made clear it was a factor.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I still await your evidence. It appears that you have none to back up your claim, which currently makes your argument invalid.

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In your opinion.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Funny how it destroys Arrows pathetic attempt at evidence!!!!!!

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The only thing being destroyed by that kind of comment is discussion.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Talking of which, it is truly pathetic to try to claim that a barrister appointed by the FIA to provide a report to the FIA to be available for it's own delegates to read prior to the Extraordinary General Meeting in June is significant to the court action in London.

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Entirely misleading. The point was not that that fact "is significant to the court action in London". It is that it raises legitimate questions about this being a purely private case that affects no-one but Max Mosley as you claim.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Can you really not understand why a private individual, one who believes that there has been a plan to destroy him professionally, would wish for a court action to proceed in the country where he has his profession so he could clear his name?

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That does not square with your opinion that there has been no damage to the FIA, and that this is simply a case of a private individual seeking damages.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

So, since you have neither provided any worthwhile or indeed less than awful 'evidence' (although to be fair to the word 'evidence', nonsensical, ill-informed and verging on the moronic drivel would be a much more apt description of your links)...

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:laugh: :laugh:

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I will again ask you to show the evidence that the FIA is linked to this legal action through anything more than them being mentioned as the organisation that Mosley works for?

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So if we are to remove all mention of the FIA it can be proved that the FIA are not involved. That's a very strong argument you have there.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I put it to you that you know that, but continued to misdirect, mislead and misquote in a deliberate attempt to bluff your way through an argument.

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So you say.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

So, show us real evidence or admit that you are wrong. Don't try and hide away like you did after the Mclaren admission of their guilt, since that did your credibility no favours.

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So you say.

So if Michael Schumacher had been caught doing this it wouldn't have mattered?????

One of the Shecter boys got caught, with a lady of the night, and lost his ride and killed his career by all accounts.

Max wants to be this big public figure then he has to deal with the fact his private life will start to disapear. He opend the can of worms, but the worms had teeth and bit him on his back side.

Max_Thrust refers to something else. Sadly no its not an S&M term as funny as that would be. Its a name that has been floating around for years. I have always used whilst remaing a private individual.

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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

So if Michael Schumacher had been caught doing this it wouldn't have mattered?????

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Bill Clinton was caught, did this have a negative impact on the whole US?!
Don't think so! Why is that? Because people around the World doesn't have such a tight vision like those on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

OK!

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Agreed

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Why are you quoting me when you make such a statement! I've never attacked Ron's personal life! I don't believe I've used the term Mcliars either!

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I apologise. I was not talking about you but about ioan and a couple of others. I should have said that "some" people but made a mistake. Sorry :)

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That is a perception. It is not an empiracal fact!
Max winning a civil case for invasion of privacy will be an empiracal statement
in a very short period of time. As of now it is an opinnion. My opinnnion.
If you have a problem with IOAN's comments, quote him please!

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It is my opinion that it has been dragged through the mire. It is also the perception that this has damaged F1 and the FIA backed up by public statements from leading figures that we all know about.

Even if Max wins, as he probably should, the reputation of the FIA will have been affected by this and the ongoing ramifications are yet to be realised.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Agreed



I apologise. I was not talking about you but about ioan and a couple of others. I should have said that "some" people but made a mistake. Sorry :)



It is my opinion that it has been dragged through the mire. It is also the perception that this has damaged F1 and the FIA backed up by public statements from leading figures that we all know about.

Even if Max wins, as he probably should, the reputation of the FIA will have been affected by this and the ongoing ramifications are yet to be realised.

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First of all Thank you :)
And I'm beginning to see your point!
I simply think (and I'm talking about two different issues here)that in the grand scheme of things someones right to flip his pancake in any fashion
he sees fit is an inalienable right. ( As long as it doesn't impede someone else from flipping theirs) Secondly, peoples personal lives are exactly that, personal. Any perceived harm is a matter of perception. That is something that is always determined by your point of view.
Cheers