World Rally Championship
@OfficialWRC
Michèle Mouton will retire from her role as
@fia
Safety Delegate at the end of 2024 - Last Sunday she took time to say goodbye to the fans in Portugal ❤️
https://x.com/OfficialWRC/status/1791503073925300448
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World Rally Championship
@OfficialWRC
Michèle Mouton will retire from her role as
@fia
Safety Delegate at the end of 2024 - Last Sunday she took time to say goodbye to the fans in Portugal ❤️
https://x.com/OfficialWRC/status/1791503073925300448
Which one of you made this lol
https://i.imgflip.com/8qkhnl.jpg
the redbull rally channel officialy gave up on wrc, eh? i mean, they have so much great 20min highlights on redbull motorsport (its more about bikes, but its always good!). too bad they dont care that much about wrc. i never understood if wrc promoter IS REDBULL or if its partner companies ("gmbh" whatever, every german-austro-hungarian have that on their brands names) but, eh, sad. their highlights used to be more usefull than wrc's own imo.
I finally cracked it after weeks of being driven mad and trying loads of different browsers !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Blocking Javascript for ewrc-results stopped the adblock message... :)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOCIXF6X...g&name=900x900
So it's official, Lancia is back in rally
https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-...-back-to-rally
Okay for now it's just a sister car to the Peugeot 208/Opel Corsa Rally 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Still better than nothing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Why?
Group A isn't set up for EVs, which a Rally4 needs.
They expecting this at WRC/ERC or just in Italy? How is it so great, what's the story?
How is the market for EV cars developing in Italy. I have yet to see a charger station rage story from Italy. "The Lancia Ypsilon Rally 4 HF is powered by a 1.2-liter turbocharged 3-cylinder 4-valve-per-cylinder engine that delivers 212 hp. Equipped with front-wheel drive with 5-speed mechanical transmission and mechanical limited-slip differential, the high-performance model is the ideal solution for all rally enthusiasts to enjoy but is also a serious candidate for drivers aspiring to victory in the R4 class and in the two-wheel drive championships."
When/ if Tesla make their small ev car some one should make a petrol engine Rally 4 version for a laugh.
How does a rally car, powered by a petrol engine, promote the 100% EV Ypsilon HF ? Is it just a case of any publicity is good publicity for the brand / car and their rally heritage is just something to make use of ?
It's a brand positioning exercise IMO. Guessing with Citroen, Peugeot and Opel already using x% of the parts, and all these motorsports departments under one roof, it's probably easy for them to do it ahead of feasible EV motorsport in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
its all b.s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
didnt hyundai just threatened to quit if they couldnt run the car they are stopping producing, with the hybrid package they buy from another maker? (i mean, its not even their stuff). nothing makes sense anymore
The Lancia Ypsilon road car has a 1.2L gasoline engine.
But not the HF one they want to base this on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaBUru38
They just market it as HF, in a very same manner that Skoda market their product as "Fabia RS Rally2" despite actual road-going Fabia RS not existing since 2014, same as Ford with the "Fiesta RS WRC" without actual RS version of Fiesta ever existing.
What an audacity.
It’s a bit sad they killed off all the small supermini hot hatches, and I’m sorry an ‘hot’ electric Ypsilon doesn’t cut it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walach
But at least they all had the same power source as the rally cars (an ICE) and Ford did have performance versions of the Fiesta (ST) and an RS Focus. Even Hyundai had their N range of road cars to promote by rallying. But now none of these exist to buy. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Walach
Lancia are going even further though, promoting a future EV with an ICE rally car. Bizarre.
They aren't promoting future EV. They are promoting Lancia. As long as the car looks like what you are selling, no one cares how it moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I get the publicity aspect, but can it work when the only people who will notice are rally fans who generally dont like EVs anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
current 'car segment' used in wrc is the "b-segment small cars / subcompacts", right?
examples: c3, yaris, mini hatch, fiesta, fabia, ibiza, 208, a1...
is this your favorite car segment? cuz I feel we may be moving "up" in the next years, with all the SUV thing.
i think if i were to choose, i'd rather have segment-a cars (fiat500, picanto, up!, twingo, aygo, i10, citigo). i like those smaller cars with big wings, reminds me some of the hillclimb machines.
haha i also love those k-cars from japan. they seem very "oh, this is what road cars should look like". that and those weird "tuk-tuk' taxis they have all over asia haha
Ironically the boom in SUV popularity is just what EVs dont need, as with the batteries they have higher weight to lug around already.
But it seems the Manus dont care as they can make more profit selling big cars than small ones, hence the hatchbacks like Fords Fiesta and Focus dying out and the crossover Puma being the only choice.
The choice of HF letters for both the rally CE and stock EV makes little sense indeed. On the ohter hand besides the old rally fans I gues nobody else cares and those will not buy the EV anyway.
Also the HF stands literally for "High Fidelity" and I don't remeber ever seeing a HiFi working without electricity :D
The irony of all this for those of us old enough to remember Italian cars of days gone by is that the electrics lack of reliability were on a par with the poor build quality and ability of the car to rust before your eyes! The one thing most remember with passion is the quality of the engines something which is now is most definitely on its way out.
In the UK, even in Lancia's rallying heyday, I doubt it encouraged many to actually buy a Lancia given their reputation. Maybe just the wealthy who could afford an Integrale and keep it out of the rain !Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Europeans need to stop using the term SUV like it means anything other than being too fat/old/lazy/uncomfortable to crouch down into a car. Nothing wrong with being that, it's consumer's choice. But half the time they're neither sporty or utilitarian. Isn't there a better word?
As everyone are shifting to SUV's nowadays we might as well start calling them "cars".Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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At least VW have seen sense...
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ele...ctric-car-2027
Yeah, Sh1t Useless Vehicle........Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
And thats the way EVs are going to have to go to get take up especially in the UK unless the business model moves totally away from purchasing a car outright to leasing/personal contract hire. Not that many can afford north of £35k for a half decent leccy car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
good. give me an electric wrc class with that new vw, the r5 3e, the honda E and the fiat 500 electric. id enjoy that class if they are 380hp 4wd and race just on sunday's stages
hehehe (but please dont change a thing in ERC ffs)
If you can't afford a half decent electric car, you can't afford to facilitate charging a cheap one at home. Unless, perfect car for young twenty-somethings living with Mum and Dad in their new build off a roundabout on the bypass miles away from anything. These can at least facilitate charging at home. Folk in terraces, flats and housing schemes of northern towns cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Might flog a few, not saying it's not worth doing, they've got to do it for now with these blinkered governments until the u-turns come. I wouldn't say price alone is affecting take up.
Also, can we just agree now that these won't be £17k in 2027?
I'm under the impression the correct term was Stupid Usless Vehicle. I kept wondering why the manufacturers so openly told the consumer that they'd be paying extra for such a shitty product.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
How many events does Ogier have left with Toyota for the rest of the season?
Ford are sharing EV platforms with VW, so Ford likely has a small ev on the way too. If the losses in the US don't sink them.
i think they built a ford explorer in europe on the vw platform already? but its a suv/crossover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humber
this is so rad. i always think "ahh i should watch this championship" but i have no money right now to pay for their broadcast
https://youtu.be/H9vzeZBLv5c?feature=shared
Manus are creating the 'demand' for SUVs by pandering to the human instinct that bigger is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
(If you take two cars to a tribe that's never seen a car, they will choose the biggest of the two.)
It's a crazy situation - manufacturers should be doing everything to educate people that lighter and smaller cars are better for economy and for the planet.
It's not that simple. The main thing which goes against the small light cars is the regulations. They are the reason why people prefer to buy large cars and also why manufacturers prefer to sell large cars (manus heavily advertising large cars is a consequence not a reason). It's a paradox but it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The past decades brough two main development areas - safety and emissions. Year after year the regulations have been stricter. Every single car first got mandatory ABS, later ESP, than another stuff and than another. Same goes about the development in emissions. All of that costs money. A lot of money and what is important the mandatory stuff costs basically the same money to develop and to produce regardless the size of the vehicle. So the situation got to a point where these fixed expenses got so high that it was no more profitable to sell any car under certain relatively high price tag. Here goes the reasson why the manus like large cars like SUVs because they can sell them for price which gives them good profit even when they need to cover the expenses of the latest regulations. And it's also the reason why small cars got so expensive.
It's a paradox but less strict regulations about safety and emissions could actually help if they were accompanied with another measures like weight limits. The CO2 emissions are a function of consumption and the real consumption is mainly about weight and drag. Also cheaper smaller cars would likely lead to overall younger car park in most of the countries. Novadays we have great new cars but huge percentage of people still drives 20-30 years old cars and they don't give a shit about some emission limits.
That sounds like a compelling argument.
But then how come many manufacturers still can and do sell small cars ?
These are just the best-sellers...
Toyota Yaris
Honda Jazz
Renault Clio
Vauxhall Corsa
Peugeot 208
Volkswagen Polo
Hyundai i10
SEAT Ibiza
Dacia Sandero
Kia Picanto
Škoda Fabia
Audi A1
Fiat New 500
Mini Hatch
Renault Zoe
Suzuki Swift
Volkswagen Up
Mazda 2
There's clearly still a substantial market for these cars, so it seems to me that those no longer making them, and just selling and promoting SUVs, are doing so purely for the extra profit to be made.
Yesterday I had a yearly technical verification of my Focus at a local Ford dealer. While I was waiting for my car I had a look at their car showroom. I didn't find any small car. The smallest one was Puma and the cheapest one was 23 300 €. It's ridiculous. I had a talk with one of the employees and he told me that not only Ford gets rid of the small cars. He said that soon Skoda will stop selling Fabia and VW will stop selling Golf (although I'm not sure if I can believe him).
Well the VW Polo will probably live until 2030: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volksw...pdates-plannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
And since the Fabia is on the same platform (& the newer car of the two) it would be safe to assume that it would also live until then. Mind you the Polo got it’s facelift back in April 2021 & the new Fabia was introduced the following month in May 2021, so I think talking about their deaths is premature. Based on that I think the Golf would also live until 2030. Truth is, no one really knows what’s gonna go with the electrification process and how long it will actually take to phase out these cars. Yes, I’m aware by 2035 Europe will stop selling ICE cars but if history has taught us anything time and again is that things can always change, and nothing stays permanent. So even if we think this and that will happen in the future, we’re no fortune tellers and we have no way of actually knowing what will happen in the car industry.