VW News 2012 & WRC 2013

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Volkswagen now has Ogier and there are rumours of Mikkelssen too.

So for Hänninen door looks closed... Maybe Hänninen's story with VAG is over and he becomes Ford's number two? ;)

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It will be good if Ogier, Hanninen, Mikkelsen and maybe Neuville are all running sWRC next year with Fabia S2000s which will give VW a good idea of how they stack up. I fear though that Mikkelsen and maybe Neuville are a bit faster than Hanninen and age counts against Juho too.

He is someone who definitely deserves a drive somewhere but there are simply not enough seats to go around at the moment.

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Originally Posted by darkstar

you always interpret so much...no idea why. i never said that they should build a car thats "wrong" and then make it fit to ogier, so for him it is "right" but for no one else or whatever. i only said that ogier can give his input, so the car will be perfect for him. everything else was said by you...

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really?read again your posts.

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Originally Posted by darkstar

i think it´s a clever move from him to go to vw. now he can also build this car around him, it will perfectly fit him then. and 2013 he´ll be wr champion ...

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Originally Posted by darkstar

he will shurely develope it like he feels its good for him and not how it may feel good for who ever...

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Originally Posted by darkstar

if they want ogier(and his teammate) to win, they should defenetly make the car fit him(and his teammate) and they defenetly will. and not make it fit to anyone, like ford does. citroens also fitted loeb the best... ...

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so of course you said plenty of times that they have to build a car that fits Ogier specific.Something totally wrong.

I had a crazy idea this evening... Ogier in 2012 with a Fabia 1.6T?

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Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem

I had a crazy idea this evening... Ogier in 2012 with a Fabia 1.6T?

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I think that project was canned.

It will be Fabia S2000 and it sounds like maybe some events with the Polo are possible towards the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by tfp

The two things you say, building a car to suit ogier, and building a car to beat ford and citroen - IMO, these things are the same. If the car doesnt work for Ogier, he isnt going to win any events anytime soon! Vice-Versa, of course ;) .

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there is no car that works only for specific driver.

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Originally Posted by tfp

An example is Mcrae when he joined citroen. he was driving a car that was built around Loeb, ie- Richard Burns style smooth driving. The car wasn't really built for Mcrae's lunacy style driving, and therefor, he diddnt perform.

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No simply McRae was at this time slower ,or couldn t setup his car at Loebs level.
Every rally car is properly designed, can suit every drivers likes.EVERYTHING rally car from last century.

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Originally Posted by MikeD

It's unclear, but in an interview on WRR during Rally Germany some guy from VW said they would start the 2013 season with 3 cars - maybe 4.

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When Finnish TV-channel MTV3 interviewed Kris Nissen he said that in 2013 there will be a 3 car team and from 2014 a 4 car team.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

so of course you said plenty of times that they have to build a car that fits Ogier specific.Something totally wrong.

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and i didnt deny that, i can say it again if you like to ;) who cares what others can do with the car, as long as the worksdrivers like it? do you think citroen cares if van merksteijn likes the ds3?

but you are talking like i´ve said that ogier is a good developer (witch you obviously dont think), that the car will ONLY fit him and wont work for others, that it will be wrong from the drawing, you explained what developing means for you etc. that all you were interpreting in my sentence "now he can also build this car around him, it will perfectly fit him then".

What does it really mean to develop a car or building it to suit someone? For me it’s to have such construction (e.g. the geometry of the suspension) before homologation that cannot be changed afterwards or done by adjustments.

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Originally Posted by OldF

What does it really mean to develop a car or building it to suit someone? For me it’s to have such construction (e.g. the geometry of the suspension) before homologation that cannot be changed afterwards or done by adjustments.

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some mates can t understand the obvious.They still think that cars are build for specific drivers,driving likes etc.

This is an interesting thread and I can't resist jumping in...

It seems like you all are basically saying that a newly developed car needs to beat the DS3 and the driver must feel the car well so he can really push it.

The thing that is difficult to get in terms of development is that fo a given rally car, if it is perfect on paper it does not mean that for sure the driver will feel comfortable to push it to the limit. Therefore at some point the engineers need to make "sacrifices" and think of what or how to do so the driver feels extremely confident in the car.

Example: on paper basically if want traction you need very soft suspension on slippery surfaces, with lots of travel. The problem is the super softness takes away from the feeling of the car and for the grip to the driver.

So the development driver needs to know: how a good car is supposed to behave. how to tell his engineer about it.
The engineer needs to know: how to make a good car on paper. then listen to his driver. and know how to interpret and act to what the driver says.

Loeb and his engineers are in perfect osmosis on that domain. For him the car is like his toy. he can do what he wants with it.