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So that means M-Sport could get out too this year already because they don't have a top caliber driver. What a bullshit. A true team could make a title contender from anyone, not in a year but a few and it could pay off, If they would stick with Meeke and actually do something (not just talk) on the car he would be in the mix. Or Ogier could actually win again this year. And If Ogier can't change their thinking then it's good they are leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Only thing MW has to do is pay for the three cars. don´t think he needs to pay salary to those drivers. And think Meeke should be MW´s 4th choice.
Just dreaming - what would it take to prompt vw to join with some half-committed program? Current situation on drivers market is such that they get decent drivers who dont expect to be paid. Some might even bring money into team. They already have car... So they need to put out some money to hire support people , do some updating/developing of car and bear some participation costs. Nobody expects them to win anything, if they can be competitive with MSport then this is already good result. 😋
As long as I remember one car was saved for museum, I think that two was donated to the PSRX team and others destroyed. And they have no intentions of joining at least for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
PSRX cars were of the old generationQuote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Polo WRC17 is 5-door.
All RX cars are older generations 3-door models.
Polo 2017 would be hopelessly outdated today.
I do believe if it drove in 2017 it would have been one of the fastest if not the fastest car on most rallies, however the pace of development has also been huge since.
Just check the stagetimes on same or similar stages between 2017 and 2019 and by all accounts it looks like dramatic improvements. Most of the improvement is from new parts but a lot is actually from perfecting the setups of the cars.
Anyway this is off topic here and since this thread is about News and Rumours 2019 and 2019 season is over I think it's time to move to the 2020 thread.
https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...p-Rumours-2020
Not that dramatic, you can compare. There is that, ofc, but there is different weather, different drivers, different chicanes, different problems, different standings, different itinerary ( so different wear in tyres, level of fuel, exhaustion)...etc. Way too many variables.
I did compare, typically more than 0.2 s/km from 2018 to 2019, from 2017 to 2019 it's from 0.5 s/km upwards.
Being 0.5 s/km slower would mean you finish around 7th place on most rallies this year.
RIP Joaquim Moutinho, winner of 1986 Rally de Portugal
Nothing, VW is done with internal combustion engines in all motorsport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
https://www.autosport.com/other/news...ine-programmes
One of Portugal's finest rally and racing drivers. R.I.P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Best possible hope is someone to take the C3WRC's (with their new jokers and aero) off Citroen's hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
What would it take? :D not much.. only 30-50mil euros
What will Citroen do with them ?
Should give them away - would be a great goodbye gesture and good publicity.
Even if you got a car like that for free, running it competitively would be expensive.
Budar said they were open to sell/rent the C3s.
Won't be much of a market for them....
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oops!
There is one private company who was intrested earlier on that year about c3 wrc.
It was Citroens partner PHsport and i don`t think there was a problem from their or Citroen`s side to run that car...just that nobody had the money to pay for such a thing, especially when you could go for a 3X title winning car, probably for the same or less (which also didn`t have much interest, apart from one outing in Finland and Tidemand/ Paddon/Greensmith, if you could even count those one-offs ).
It would be interesting to see the actual costs split of this 30-50M€Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Best chance would be Abu Dhabi taking the cars and setting up a team. They did promise to come back in 2020 as a sponsor.
There are so many driver's going to be out of a seat next year it would be brilliant if there was some kind of partnership between their sponsors and AD.
I don't think Abu Dhabi promised anything Eddie. In any case, any 'promise' that could be related to Citroen I would take with a pinch of salt.
I think Qassimi put all their resources back to crosscountry rallies, although he kind of shine there. He is participating every year with PH-Sport's prepared Peugeot. Next year's edition is first time in middle east, kinda like home run.
Nobody is going to buy the c3's to use them internationally.
Unless they can buy the entire team including the development department, there's just no point running them. Where are you going to buy spare parts if citroen doesn't produce them?
I think the same.. Potential client would rather go to Wilson and get proper service from him + knowing that the can be very fast if driven right :DQuote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Of course the chances of this are slim to none. It's just wishful thinking seeking a way to make use of this resource with so many driver's seeking seats.
It's such a waste of the cars to leave them to just gather dust, when we all want as many WRC's to watch as possible.
I wonder if M-Sport could handle it if another 3 driver's came along wanting to run Fiesta WRC's, making it 6 in total ? And assuming all would want the latest spec car, plus spare parts/aero.
I'm wondering how can PH-Sport kinda run old spec DKR cars? (They are now 3, 4 years old). So maybe could run one or two C3's for a year only, it' not like that the car would be that bad in a couple of months.
That’s a good question but the most likely outcome of the loss of two works seats is probably that we permanently lose a couple of drivers from WRC, ie. they retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Does Greensmith have the means to fund a full season? Maybe a few drivers could share the third car?
If you need them, if you pay for them, why wouldn`t they produce them? It`s not like Citroen racing closed its operations, R5 project is going on...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Exactly, with the right amount of money you can still buy parts or even complete kits from Citroën/Peugeot for cars like the 106 Maxi, Saxo Kit Car, C4 WRC, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
For sure those parts would be more expensive to an external team.
Ofc, like your average roadcar and its parts, manufacturing one specific car or its part doesn`t cost the same you pay in a shop/dealership for it...that`s the business part. So if they don`t get some sort of a beneficial deal, then the the price goes up quite a bit.
very interesting stats again from Gary
Codriver statistics comparisons for
@sebmarshall after 27 starts in #WRC cars in #WRC events
Driver Kris Meeke
13 Starts
01 Podiums
17 Stage Wins
98 Points
Driver Hayden Paddon
14 Starts
04 Podiums
18 Stage Wins
147 Points
https://twitter.com/KiwiWRCfan/statu...036824576?s=20
in fact no, they don´t even sell C2-R2 parts anymore. (there was DQ in Finnish championship because brakes of C2-R2 are not available anymore)Quote:
Originally Posted by TWRC
It's the same with the Corolla and the Fabia WRC, Wevers in Holland is the place to go.
The brakes are available, at a price. I remember when we ran a few C2 R2's here in their championship, everything and i mean everything had to be bought through the local agent for them down to a litre of oil/brake fluid ect...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Are those parts homogated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Pointless stats, let's not forget when seb took over from kennard that paddon had been driving a hyundai for years, people cant ignore this was meekes first year in a toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC