People Power

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Education at school is designed to teach basic skills such as reading, writing, common sense, self discipline etc etc to prepare youngsters for the world when you become an adult. It serves no other purpose at all. You can flunk every test at school yet become a success, but being able to read and write and disciplined does help get that success ;)

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That is a foolish statement based on some liberal twits thinking.
"Let the child find his own strengths"

Smokey Yunick who was probably the best automotive engineer ever with, and one of the best period, not much more than a grade school education-- said-- ANYONE who tries to do what I did without the education available nowadays is a damned fool.
(As Smokey was prone to nasty language, if I remember correctly he did not use that mild of a term)

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Originally Posted by ioan

yes, it's right from the beginning, they can learn to read, write and basic maths while they develop their strengths.

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That is stupidity at its most obvious.

When I went back to college as a non-trad. student, the second year I was back the college started to offer sub 100 level courses because there were so many students who needed basic reading, writing and arithmetic, not math, arithmentic skills.

That is the the liberal no flunking or no " you will learn this whether you like it or not" as my tenth grade English teacher told me without batting an eye.
Back then those whose who failed to learns the required tasks were flunked till they did or quit. Let them rot.
Not one in my class of several hundred did either.
Any youth who refuses to meet the standards of a society can either meet basic standards or rot in their own hell-hole.
They should not be given any other choice.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

And who do you propose will pick up the tab to just magically restart these factories?

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Those so called "job creators", the corporations that actually do have the possibility to provide jobs are holding down to their money because they want the rules of the game to continue being the ones that have been convenient to them, ie , keep those tax cuts and loopholes as they are - and they are demanding this by holding the country hostage and also because they have already paid their politicians to do as they were paid to do - not what they were elected by the American citizens to do.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Not sure. maybe you have clear description of what they used to do in the school. Did they pass their standardized test with brio?

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Edison was taught reading, writing and arithmatic by his mother; Bell was taught same by his mother but had further formal education; the Wright Brothers were high-school graduates.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You do realize that revenues to the Federal government went UP after the '03 tax cuts.

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That was more to do with a growing economy than taxation policy.

In contrast the Australian government which had imposed a GST in 2001 was also taking in more revenues over a wider taxation base and was generating actual real surpluses. Then when the economy took a nose dive, it used stimulus spending from the revenue it had saved and thus Australia was the only country in the OECD which didn't go into recession.

The fact that the US Federal Government forewent taxation that it could have collected by increasing taxation in a boom, is further proof that both the Republicans and Democrats are idiots.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Oh you must come from the everybody gets a trophy school of thought. Little Johnny can't add or subtract because he's too "creative" for that. Sorry but there aren't really any creative ways to read, or write with proper grammar, or add/subtract/etc. But yeah, let's let the kids be creative about things instead of teaching them what they need to know. That's what the public schools in this country have been doing for 30+ years, gotten us far hasn't it? There is a time and place for creativity, but that time is AFTER kids have learned the basics. We don't teach the basics in this country anymore, and I for one would like to get back to that.

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It is possible to teach the basics, get them through to the individual, and still allow them to be creative. It seemed to work for me. The two things are hardly mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

That is stupidity at its most obvious

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Luckily you are intelligent, who knows what the world would have become without you.
Maybe next time you learn to read before typing.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Edison was taught reading, writing and arithmatic by his mother; Bell was taught same by his mother but had further formal education; the Wright Brothers were high-school graduates.

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Interesting that you are here lecturing people about the need to know 'the basics', yet here you mis-spell 'arithmetic', quite a simple word to get right.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I know exactly where you want to go with this. I was only 18 in 1994 when our democratic government was elected. I did not understand what Apartheid was as I was a child during its reign. I never voted to oppress anyone. I am now paying the dues for my father and his fathers mistakes. This side of our debate is over :)

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Edison was taught reading, writing and arithmatic by his mother; Bell was taught same by his mother but had further formal education; the Wright Brothers were high-school graduates.

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Still you didn't tell us if they passed the standardized test or were intelligent open minded people first of all.
I guess they were intelligent open minded otherwise they wouldn't have come up with revolutionary ideas.
And I doubt that it's reading, writing and basic arithmetic that made people come up with incredible breakthrough ideas.

Who am I kidding though, we all have to learn to live and work in a standardized society that kills differences and above all individuality, to conform to Bob's views. :\