A good prep run for the FIM Hard Enduro round later this year. And we'll also get an EnduroGP round in Rhayader........Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
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A good prep run for the FIM Hard Enduro round later this year. And we'll also get an EnduroGP round in Rhayader........Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Not Really interested in F1 in this thread, and if i was in a Bar with like minded Rally folk and you started talking F1 , I would leave, so Bye
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hudson
Haha I had to check to see if it this was true! Weird. From time to time I try to watch F1 but it turns me off soooo quickly. Its the DRS. I cant stand that. Rarely a Ferrari would be in front of Lewis (Pre 2021) or in front of Max (since then), and IT IS already an impossible task to hold the fastest car/driver... but the fight doesnt even last ONE LAP nowadays. Its so dumb. Its honestly unbliveable that everybody is ok with that! haha Thats like... "well, here comes Messi/Ronaldo with the ball, tell the goalie to leave the goal open"Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Edit: Just read that the new Formula 2 cars had this new weird super high rear wing (It looks cool tbh) but that will IMPROVE even more the DRS effects haha And they are testing that on F2 before adopting in F1, like with the 18' tires or something like that. So... EVEN MORE effect for DRS. "The drag will slow the leader way more now".... haha WHY!?! FFS, WTF is happening
:)
See you next week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hudson
While he's gone do you reckon Marquez can win MotoGP on a privateer year old Ducati? :p
No, me neither. And once upon a time I never missed a race......Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hudson
It's utter garbage, a lack of action - with most of the stories off track. I no longer see the attraction of it. The amount of attention from the media, and the public astounds me. Motorsport for people who know very little about motorsport.......As they don't know of any other series.
I´d only order new beer and change table... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hudson
Politics now then. Topic Milei's Argentina - chances of a WRC round in the coming years?
Exactly 0Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
The MotoGP round just got cancelled and even though they have a contract for next year no one is expecting that to happen.
Meanwhile Dirtfish had an article link about Paraguay in WRC in 2025 buy seems they pulled it before I could read it.
The World Motocross round in Argentina was also being rumored to be cancelled but it is still up.... so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
https://rallies.info/webentry/2024/m...ies.php?type=u
Serderidis doing the Malcolm Wilson in the Lake District again in March as a warm up for the rest of the season
There was an article about WRC in Nashville that also seems to have disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
What's going on at DirtFish?
It wouldn't be the biggest surprise if that went as well; I think it was last year when it got pitiful entries (might have been 2022) - not a good look. The MXGP promoters are as bad as the WRC's.....Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
I think it's the same local promoter for both, isn't it? WRC and MXGP?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
2022 was really weird but Tbh the round in Argentina in 2023 had the biggest number of entries Or something like that. More than 32 riders if I remember correctly. Almost 15 south americans, I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
MXGP has also being super weird. The grids looks so empty. They keep going to asian countries to race in fake tracks with 14 riders starting the races. I dont understand. Covid is a factor, sure, and they are going to recover. But its weird to see such a simple sport having so little entries. OR MAYBE the promoter WANTS to have just the top facotry teams? Idk. Hope it gets better for 2024, at least on the european rounds.
Yes, you're right - it was 2022 that was poor - last year was the first round of the championship - and the return of 'The Bullet'.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Jesus Christ, the guy behind Formula-E and Extreme-E is KINDA behind or supporting this NEW AND INCREDIBLE ELECTRIC BOAT RACING that was CREATED TO HELP SAVE THE PLANET.... you know.... by adding RACING BOATS into eco-systems that DIDNT HAD RACING BOATS before... and somehow this will help the local eco-systems....????????
And you can watch the FULL ROUND 1 in SAUDI ARABIA here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgI4aB9xhXY
You see that it is a success when they CLOSE the comments on youtube.
Hahahahahahaha... And Becs sold out her soul..Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
didn't get the rant about the ecosystem... these boats surely are less dangerous than any other boat already there. i'm not sure, but i guess they race in port envinronment, or at least in some extremely anthopogenic area. so...Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Immjvss can correct me if I’m wrong but I think the nature of the rant is “what is the f***ing point of this?” The ecosystem of the waterways would be in better shape simply by this championship not existing.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
You can’t even justify there being some eco-friendly personal transportation message as hydrofoil speedboats are not ubiquitous like cars are. I don’t think FE is doing a good job of convincing a lot of people here that BEVs are the way forward but it at least makes morw sense than E1.
How many people are there honestly out there who would watch that and be convinced to change their ways and change their gas-guzzling speedboat (or perhaps fishing trawler) to a battery electric version because Didier Drogba says its good for the planet? :rotflmao:
“what is the f***ing point of this?” totally the correct question! i don't get yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
i don't get all this argument you both come up with. it's just made up to say electric is sh*t, which is quite off-topic. things you say is very loosely related to this.
"The ecosystem of the waterways would be in better shape simply by this championship not existing." what's the basis of this claim? you have some data? as i told before, the environment of the race is already so anthropogenic that these boats literally don't matter at all.
on the other part, is very loosely related to a marketing strategy that is way more simple. they just claim to do a race with new tech that has a lower impact compared to similar power other tech. sideways they do some nudging and some divulgation, and maybe they finance some environmental small projects. that's it. i really don't see all that argument, unless someone tries to make it up.
anyway, i'm not so interested in motorboat racing and i have no need to defend this thing, i just find that claim wrong.
let's move on!
Never heard of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az7zhN5Dk0g
Well.... Cupra, LewisHamilton/Carlin team and ChipGanassi/Chevy are all quitting Extreme-E for 2024.
Rumor is that one more team may quit in the next week. They are all saying they are curious about the plan for next year where the car will use Hydrogen (FIA is backing that too, some say "VW and Toyota" may be behind the move....???), but no commitments so far. Extreme-H will be the new name for 2025. The new car already had its shakedown, but on paved roads only (not sure if they went off road already for testing)
Carl Cox Motorsport left the championship today. Thats FOUR teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Seems the almost complete subsidy from Extreme E themselves has been turned off, and with no other forms of income the teams have said ‘adios’….
Is this what was alluded to possibly? https://youtu.be/0JeYoTTXg_I?si=pshIWchU1tyY8SbuQuote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Quick question regarding rally podcasts or similar, I listened to the Gravel Notes preview podcast for Sweden and the Dirtfish one, and some of the Powerslide Podcast. Are there other podcasts out there, in English, worth listening to?
I'm afraid that's it for that style of podcasts, there used to be Absolute Rally but it ended a year or two ago. There is also the WRC Backstories podcast, it's more about interviews with certain people similar to F1 Beyond the Grid, there are some nice ones :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Corcaíoch
It wass spiritually an Irish event.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
On again, off again, gone again, Finnigan
Do we know which rounds Ogier and Rovanpera are doing this year? In particular, do we know about Kenya and Croatia?
I just saw this said about Dani Sordo: "At one point he was the most successful WRC driver without a win to their name." The wording implies that he no longer has that distinction. But I can't think who would have replaced him.
Any offers?
If I were guessing wildly in a pub quiz, I might go for Mikkelsen in his VW years. I don't think he beat Ogier much, but he probably got a few podiums in that dominant car.
He probably won a rally since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
He might still hold that record. In terms of active drivers still currently without a win it will be someone else, but the record of rallies without yet scoring your first win is probably still Sordo up until he won Rallye Deutschland 2013Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Can't understand what's the question..?
This is a quote from yesterday's Dirtfish article.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-f...econd-wrc-win/
Quote:
It took almost eight years at the top level for Dani Sordo to score his first WRC win. At one point he was the most successful WRC driver without a win to their name.
That wait finally came to an end on Rally Germany 2013.
sordo had 20 2nd places and 16 3th places in wrc to his name before his first win in 2013. And then another 10 podiums till his second win in 2019.
It's a remarkable carreer, always being completely at the top but never winning.
To be fair it was as a teammate to Loeb at Citroen, an aberration to the WRC that caused plenty of knock-on effects.
Also fun fact, in a way Sordo was the perfect team mate to Loeb, he was consistent enough to bring points but not fast enough to really challenge him. But crucially he was fast enough especially on tarmac to slot between Loeb and his rivals, Gronholm and later Hirvonen. In this era the title contenders often finished 1-2 and the points were 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 so if you had just one more position between then the margin was double. Of course this is all hypothetical but you could say Loeb owes Sordo some beers for the following titles:
2006 - title victory margin is 1 point - Sordo finished in P2 behind Loeb but ahead of Gronholm in Spain and Germany - difference of 4p in Loebs favour compared to if Sordo was not there
2007 - title victory margin is 4 points - Sordo finished in P2 splitting them in Monte and Spain plus he finished P3 ahead of Gronholm in P4 in Portugal so that's one more point for a total of 5
2009 - title victory margin is 1 point - Sordo finished P2 in Monte and Spain splitting Loeb and Hirvonen giving Loeb 4p in total
So teoretically if Loeb had some worse team-mate we would have Loeb 6x WDC, Gronholm 4x WDC and Hirvonen 1x WDC.
Now interestingly the reverse combinations (Gronholm-Hirvonen and Hirvonen-Latavala) were less effective:
2007 - Hirvonen took 2 points away from Gronholm by winning Norway when Loeb retired, but the did slot between them once in Finland so total is 0 - you could argue it was too soon for tactics as Norway was round 3
2009 - Latvala never slotted between the title contenders but was allowed to win Italy ahead of Hirvonen even after it was already clear he had no chance at the title - to be fair Hirvonen had not yet won a rally that season but then went on to win 4 in succession
So yeah, this is all hindsight and there are mitigating circumstances, for example in 2009 Wilson let Latvala take the win because he was coming off a bad streak and wanted to boost his morale. Team tactics are hard decisions to take but maybe sometimes you need to be ruthless if you really want the trophy. So let's say MSport declares Gronholm the team leader in 2007 and the switch them already at round 3, and they buy Latvala a beer in Italy 2009 but make him give up the win we have Loeb 7x WDC, Gronholm 3x WDC and Hirvonen 1x WDC.
Now this topic often comes up in the silly season, about having a team-mate to help for the title. I actually went back almost 30 years and I saw no more examples of anyone actually making the difference to decide the title. There are some cases where they helped but in the end it didn't matter. There are a lot of cases like the counter examples above, where team-mates took points away from each other. So it seems the team mate matters very little, maybe in like 10% of cases, the rest it's more important to be good and have a good team and car.
So after I did all this investigating I actually think Sordo is maybe under-rated, by some at least. I'm happy for him that he got 3 wins and not all on tarmac. What do you think?
He was asked not to challenge him...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
I only know Sordo from 2016 onwards. FWIW... in my time, the most important thing about Sordo was that he was prepared to be a support driver.
I remember when Adamo hired Breen for Wales, specifically with the brief of driving safely and being sure to finish, in case one of the top Hyundai drivers went out. It was public, Adamo said it, and Breen said it, that was his job. Breen did the job for three or four stages then started talking about competing for the win and rolled the car.
Sordo was the opposite of that. And he was quick enough to come 5th or 6th (in a world with VW) whilst driving within himself and finishing reliably.