What Happens Next?

How do I know it? CART and CC announced many times that it had taken over the promoter's financial risks and rewards in Portland. And it has been a loser, but CC keeps it going as a place to race on the schedule. So, CC can write itself a check for the sanction fee and go right back and deposit it in the same account if it wants to, I guess.

As for track rentals, CC is PAYING the track to run there, the track is RECEIVING the money and CC's deals with a sanction fee are the same as Portland. Don't know what new cluster of LLCs might be involved or can't say it's absolutely true, but it's rumored the European races are track rentals.

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Originally Posted by indycool

How do I know it? CART and CC announced many times that it had taken over the promoter's financial risks and rewards in Portland. And it has been a loser, but CC keeps it going as a place to race on the schedule. So, CC can write itself a check for the sanction fee and go right back and deposit it in the same account if it wants to, I guess.

As for track rentals, CC is PAYING the track to run there, the track is RECEIVING the money and CC's deals with a sanction fee are the same as Portland. Don't know what new cluster of LLCs might be involved or can't say it's absolutely true, but it's rumored the European races are track rentals.

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prove it.

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Originally Posted by Sandfly

THEY - cannot stand that CC has and is building a fan base, and has a series that people watch and are interested in. Just look at the forum list when you log on - there are alway at least ten times as many users here. Why is that?? It is not just the 14 IRL regulars that are here bashing CC -- it is CC fans.

Why can't they be happy to talk about how wonderful the IRL is over at the IRL forum, and leave the CC folks alone.

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Yes, there are many more CC forums with 10 tens more traffic than the other series.CC has the fans.

You pay for it yourself through the Oregonian's archives......it's been announced in some form in each year and a story has appeared in the Oregonian going back to the CART days. It's always the last race put on the schedule because it's a money loser. CART, and now CC, have hired Mike Neely's Global Events Group to organize the race each year.

sanguin, if you're basing the number of fans on how many are on the forums, IMO, you're doing the same thing The Amigos did....point to CW and say, "look at all these hardcore fans we have." The numbers of people on the forums are VERY small in the big picture. Do you see 200,000 posters from Edmonton on the fora, for example?

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Originally Posted by indycool

They might want that kind of money, but what is the VALUE? What VALUE does it have now compared to when they spent $3.2 million for it four years ago? Obviously, there will be differences of opinion on those questions.

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It appears that GF thinks it's worth 100M. I guess that's what he's put in it. I think he's now is the linchpin to one series.

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Originally Posted by Sandfly

Why can't they be happy to talk about how wonderful the IRL is over at the IRL forum, and leave the CC folks alone.

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Because most of them want to see a unified series, not a continuation of a pathetic & childish 'we have more fans' argument.

The problem with AOWR is the people who think that there is any merit in continuing with division.

It doesn't matter who has what, who might be winning or, most stupidly of all, who has the most forum members on a forum.

The only thing that matters is that AOWR gets its act together.

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Originally Posted by Sandfly

THEY - cannot stand that CC has and is building a fan base, and has a series that people watch and are interested in. Just look at the forum list when you log on - there are alway at least ten times as many users here. Why is that?? It is not just the 14 IRL regulars that are here bashing CC -- it is CC fans.

Why can't they be happy to talk about how wonderful the IRL is over at the IRL forum, and leave the CC folks alone.

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Sandfly, How do you come up with this stuff? The number of people on the Champ Car forum here vs. the IRL forum is meaningless. For a better comparison go to Alexa.com and use the option that will allow you to compare the traffic and reach numbers for IndyCar.com and ChampCarWorldSeries.com. There is also an option that lets you view the entire year. Go to the bottom of the page and you will see that fans from ChampCar's home market represent only about a third of their traffic. Therin lies the the truth of the matter.

FYI, I am not an "IRL Regular". I just happen to be done with turning a blind eye to the delusional falsehoods spewed by the OWRS bunch. In my opinion, their only interest in our sport was to leverage CCWS to get something for next to nothing. That has failed and I don't expect them to do anything now other than to try to spitefully stay in the way long enough to force a buyout of some sort from TG on more favorable terms than the current bleak circumstances permit. Don't hold your breath for that.

As for the crowd numbers for CCWS events. They are seriously fluffed and most people on the business side of the sport know this. If there really were all these legions of Champ Car fans rooting for Gommendy and Jani, etc.— then where the hell were they? They certainly didn't show up at the races or watch on TV in numbers sufficient to make a business out of this mess.

In my view you are one of a hard core group of fanatics who live to repeat the same cult-like pro-ChampCar and anti-IRL statements (regardless of the truth) . Please get some perspective. You are not on that other hate filled site. People here are actually trying to realistically think about what might happen next. Why don't you try to join the discussion rather than spout the same tired dogma?

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Sandfly, How do you come up with this stuff? The number of people on the Champ Car forum here vs. the IRL forum is meaningless. For a better comparison go to Alexa.com and use the option that will allow you to compare the traffic and reach numbers for IndyCar.com and ChampCarWorldSeries.com. There is also an option that lets you view the entire year. Go to the bottom of the page and you will see that fans from ChampCar's home market represent only about a third of their traffic. Therin lies the the truth of the matter.

FYI, I am not an "IRL Regular". I just happen to be done with turning a blind eye to the delusional falsehoods spewed by the OWRS bunch. In my opinion, their only interest in our sport was to leverage CCWS to get something for next to nothing. That has failed and I don't expect them to do anything now other than to try to spitefully stay in the way long enough to force a buyout of some sort from TG on more favorable terms than the current bleak circumstances permit. Don't hold your breath for that.

As for the crowd numbers for CCWS events. They are seriously fluffed and most people on the business side of the sport know this. If there really were all these legions of Champ Car fans rooting for Gommendy and Jani, etc.— then where the hell were they? They certainly didn't show up at the races or watch on TV in numbers sufficient to make a business out of this mess.

In my view you are one of a hard core group of fanatics who live to repeat the same cult-like pro-ChampCar and anti-IRL statements (regardless of the truth) . Please get some perspective. You are not on that other hate filled site. People here are actually trying to realistically think about what might happen next. Why don't you try to join the discussion rather than spout the same tired dogma?

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seriously, if that were true about the IRL, wouldn't they be more successful?

These forums are only the tip of the iceberg of the total amount of fans. Just judging from that and the traffic on CC forums + the fans that lurk and fans who attend but don't read forums and the fans that go for the event and the casual fan and the curious fan and the fan with friends ,etc.,these forums a good barometer of what's going on. CC had over 2 million in attendance last year. If you want to refute it, put up some links and numbers ,not just you're opinion.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

These forums are only the tip of the iceberg of the total amount of fans. Just judging from that and the traffic on CC forums + the fans that lurk and fans who attend but don't read forums and the fans that go for the event and the casual fan and the curious fan and the fan with friends ,etc.,these forums a good barometer of what's going on. CC had over 2 million in attendance last year. If you want to refute it, put up some links and numbers ,not just you're opinion.

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So, apart from that 2 million figure that was taken from CCWS's website (impartial crowd statistics I'm sure) - isn't all of what you've said just your opinion too?

Ever thought about a career in stand-up?