Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

Well, since he passed Massa unfairly, it would have been nice if Lewis would have given Massa his spot back. After all, they are supposed to pass other cars on the track. And was not Lewis also penalized this year for passing Vettel (was it? I can't remember) illegally too and was punished? In other it seems that your "star" is developping a little habit. If he can't pass on the track he'll definetely try by taking short cuts. Of course, in your eyes it's fine. But not in mine. I would suggest him to cut it out. It's getting old.

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Whats unfair about it? He got ahead of Massa under braking before being walloped and thus forced to go over the chicane.

His "habit" is that he is probably the best 'braker' currently in F1. Its true what you say about perspectives though, it would be pretty funny to manipulate footage of unidentified incidents frame by frame and swop the Ferraris & Macs over and listen to everyones biased opinion change when they were told that the cars/drivers were switched. :D

It is interesting to see that Massa, Trulli, Alonso, Heidfeld, Bourdais, Rosberg and Fisichella all think the penalty is deserved (some say it is harsh though). I think they have very valid opinions on this matter, but I guess that depends if you are a biased McLaren/Hamilton supporter or not.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...11191346.shtml

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Originally Posted by tamburello

You sure Pedro was in front? Not according to Ron, he wouldn't have been.

It seems that Ron Dennis felt on Sunday that Lewis was in front before the corner despite being on the outside -

"I think, first of all, Lewis was ahead at the chicane and he got pushed wide" http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43849

So why should Michael be different?

It would seem, therefore, that even the Mclaren boss would have to say that Michael at the Hungaroring was in front. He certainly was as they entered the breaking zone. He was not the one attempting a pass, that's for sure.

Seems that the FIA are not the only ones who can be tarnished with that brush, eh, Mr Dennis?

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yes he was in front..I already posted evidence of that on here tamburello...but here it is again...

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/pop...144:39843&S=F1

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

yes he was in front..I already posted evidence of that on here tamburello...but here it is again...

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/pop...144:39843&S=F1

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is that so?

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0807.jpg

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0808.jpg

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0810.jpg

the only picture where he is in front is the last one...

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

yes he was in front..I already posted evidence of that on here tamburello...but here it is again...

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/pop...144:39843&S=F1

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So therefore, working on that basis, so was Michael.

Difference is that Lewis hadn't been defending his position when he went over the chicane. Lewis hadn't been in front until he fecked his braking up, he was trying to gain an advantage whereas Michael had...for the best part of 25 laps, not 25mm anyway, already had the lead.

Anyone want to explain how somebody leading and therefore in possesion of the "advantage" can then gain the "advantage"?

How can you gain that which you already have?

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Originally Posted by Viktory

is that so?

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0807.jpg

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0808.jpg

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0810.jpg

the only picture where he is in front is the last one...

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you should read :

I was refering to this --> *It seems that Ron Dennis felt on Sunday that Lewis was in front before the corner despite being on the outside *


are you saying the pic i showed doesn't show Lewis as being in front ?

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Originally Posted by Viktory

is that so?

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0807.jpg

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0808.jpg

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/...el-xp-0810.jpg

the only picture where he is in front is the last one...

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Thanks for that. That certainly does put a different perspective on it.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Thanks for that. That certainly does put a different perspective on it.

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not at all..as Ron said before the corner..The pic i showed was before the corner...these aren't

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Originally Posted by tamburello

So therefore, working on that basis, so was Michael.

Difference is that Lewis hadn't been defending his position when he went over the chicane. Lewis hadn't been in front until he fecked his braking up, he was trying to gain an advantage whereas Michael had...for the best part of 25 laps, not 25mm anyway, already had the lead.

Anyone want to explain how somebody leading and therefore in possesion of the "advantage" can then gain the "advantage"?

How can you gain that which you already have?

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wait wait wait..are you saying now a car in the lead is allowed to overshoot a chicane while the car trying to pass is not ?

In Ms case..true...he was maybe in front..the nose of his car maybe...but by cutting the chicane he was a wayyy more ahead than before the chicane..so no advantage ?

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

not at all..as Ron said before the corner..The pic i showed was before the corner...these aren't

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Yes, and "before" the corner Michael was in front at the Hungaroring.

But, like I said, the difference is that Michael had been in front for several laps and was therefore leading.

Michael was still leading when he cut the chicane.

He therefore held the advantage before and during the Hungaroring chicane.

So, I ask again, any chance of anyone explaining how you can gain what you already have?