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and that's exactly the point. sponsor want huge name next to it, (and some possibilities to win also can help).Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
it's way different to say "I've a partnership with toyota/hiunday" than "I've a partnership with m-sport". first case u can use it with non-rally fans, they'll get it's important anyway.
the second case will mean nothing for most of the people.
This is the one thing that I'd love to know. To what extent M-Sport have tried to attract major sponsors themselves rather than relying on drivers to do it for them. As said before, there would seem like natural candidates. Someone like Monster Energy or Lukoil. Once Citroen pulled out, where did the Red Bull money go? It hasn't discernibly gone into the WRC itself... I seem to remember though that it might have been said that Malcolm has set a high price for title sponsorship of the team which can't/hasn't been met. Maybe if he doesn't think that number can be reached it isn't worth putting much effort into trying to get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Yet the WTCC and its teams, which I can not accept has a greater following than the WRC, has all sorts of sponsors. What may be different is that many of those sponsors seem to also have an arrangement with the promoter/Eurosport. Whereas WRC Administrator doesn't seem to share its spoils.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
To be fair to Malcolm though, the Toyota deals are probably relatively small fry business to business deals arranged/encourage by Mr Toyoda. If Toyota Corp are doing a $100m+ deal with the likes of Microsoft, DMG Mori or Panasonic, with Mr Toyoda's personal interest in the Motorsport programs, it won't be hard to get a bit of change diverted towards the WRC program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
That's not to say Ford couldn't do the same, but maybe that's why Castrol are still on the car...?
In the European Rally Championship, the ERC Junior class will be reserved for drivers entered with Rally3 cars, with the objective to reduce season costs and create a more accessible pathway for young drivers coming from two-wheel drive categories. In order to ease this pathway, the FIA ERC promoter will offer attractive prizes for both the ERC3 and ERC Junior Champions.
I hope that bring M-Sport a big amount of money.
TBH I cant remember the M-Sport run cars having a big main company sponsor on the side of the car since Castrol in about 2007. They are still there now but much smaller.
Abu Dhabi were around for a year or two but pulled out.
Red Bull (with Ogier) was the only other one in recent times.
I suppose no-one will put in big money unless they think the team/driver has a good chance of fighting for wins. And thats super-tough vs the might of Toyota & Hyundai.
Monster Energy would be ideal and without Red Bull being around WRC anymore to take the glory...
Redbull is a personal sponsors of multiple drivers.
I think we can probably cross JML off the list of potential candidates for an M-Sport drive now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Though stranger things have happened, like JML becoming Toyota team principle in the first place! :D
The two-way problem M‑Sport faced in 2020
Underperforming drivers unhappy with car. Drivers not getting results to showcase car. M-Sport faced a vicious cycle in 2020.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-t...faced-in-2020/
Mikkelsen?
Suninen
Greensmith
(Formaux/Mikkelsen) shared?
Very unlikely no?
They can not come with Suninen and Greensmith as top dogs. Will be a lot of DNFs.
They need someone to bring the car to points.
what for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
it's not like they have any chance of beating hyundai or toyota.
Since it seems Ford has somehow commited for the 2022 car I wonder:
- Do they need to show some results in WRC in 2021 to ensure continuing Ford support?
If not, they can really just run a money season with Suninen, Greensmith, Formaux. (Or even someone else than Suninen who brings budget)
- Who will develop the 2022 car? ( again doesn't necessarily need to be a top WRC driver, but none of these 3 seem like a very good idea ). You might argue that Camilli did a lot of work developing 2017 Fiesta, but Tanak was certainly there too and Ogier came in November and the car susequently got some big changes in first 1/3 of 2017. (when Hyundai was clearly fastest)
I don't see much reason for MSport to take Mikkelsen or for Mikkelsen to drive at MSport early in 2021 unless it includes a 2022 deal. He is likely not interested in paying to only fight his teammates and neither MSport nor Mikkelsen are in a hurry to sign for 2022 atm. Mikkelsen surely hopes for Toyota and MSport is not in position for long term future deals at this time. So if anything happens on that front it will be much later in the season.
It depends on what 'commitment' is defined by.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Full factory support, both financially and technically, enabling top drivers = Commitment.
Some technical/ aero support only, requiring self funding drivers = half ar5ed support we seen now.
Why are we still speculating on Mikkelsen when he clearly is going to drive WRC2 next year with Toksport?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Anyway, someone definitely needs to develop that 2022 car. The thing with Suninen is that he hasn't done an awful lot of testing during his career. During the Ogier years he just took the car as Ogier had set it up and made some adjustments. Then the budgets have been smaller the two following years. He was in a junior testing program with Toyota in the early years of the Yaris WRC project, but I think that was more about endurance testing. He also did something with Oreca on the R4 kit. But I would still like to have someone who has been in proper factory teams, doing more testing. Even Lappi probably has more testing and developing experience (Skoda, Toyota, Citroen).
M-Sport has more worries on its head, like Brexit. It will cost them extra money and effort to get everything delivered in mainland Europe.
I hope they get to Monte Carlo in time, if there is chaos with a hard exit at the ferry and train...
M-Sport have a very good base in Poland so should not be too much of a problem. Run the WRC Team out of Poland.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
At this point is was mostly since the linked article from D.Evans talked about it (also with Toksport mentioned).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Even with Toksport announcement some kind of deal might happen later in season, but definitely not before Croatia (april).
Ford Fiesta Rally3 and Rally4 there. For sure need big facility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hudson
For sure after what´s happened after my quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
I don't know if it was posted here - it seems Malcolm Wilson has more faith in ERC than WRC (at least when it comes to talent development and potential income for M-Sport):
https://www.fiaerc.com/wilson-erc-is...coming-talent/
Nah, just promotional talk for the new Rally3 car, which ERC picked up first for a championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
That's a different team. I think almost all people working on the wrc and rally2 cars, are based in the UK. I don't think it's that easy to move everything to Poland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hudson
The important thing for M-Sport's future is selling rally cars and servicing/parts.
The Mk2 Fiesta R5 is now showing speed and results so that will probably where their focus will be in 2021.
They cant sell WRC cars and competing with Toyota & Hyundai for championships is impossible as the business doesnt have the money to pay for top driver's.
I can see them just having Greensmith in WRC, with Fourmaux and maybe another payer like Yates again in WRC2.
Suninen said he could switch to WRC2 in 2021...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJLY8IWD...=15p35bl1ntpln
Lorenzo Bertelli says see you all soon on the stages in @OfficialWRC 2021 @MSportLtd #WRC !
so... MSport money year with Greensmith and Bertelli?
Can it be that we see different drivers for M-Sport in 2021 and maybe no one gets the full season?
Would Paddon have a budget to do some rounds with M-Sport ?, has recent experience of developing Electric Rally Cars ?.
Gus and Bertelli decide themselves if they want full season or not :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 371
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
And Bertelli still has his own car?
Not having exact info on how M-Sport operates with sponsors, but why don't they try something like Nascar teams do? There many cars run with a main sponsor for selected rounds, and on the other ones it appears on the car as an associate sponsor only. Could M-Sport pull something like that, e.g. if some company has money only to be main sponsor for 3 rallies, then they get to be on 3 events, or 2 events for full title sponsor and on the rest they appear on the car in a smaller scale? Might be a stupid idea, just always wondered why they don't try something like that. OK, there would not be a fixed team identity with changing colours and etc, but that might come back with different merch for each sponsor. :D
i think more 1 full season 2/3 rotationalQuote:
Originally Posted by 371
Dirtfish: Mikkelsen is keen to try and get some seat-time in a Rally1 car too. This would most likely be with M-Sport, which is yet to confirm its driver line-up for any of the WRC rounds next year.
“I’m working towards that as well,” Mikkelsen said. “Let’s see if we can make that happen, I would need some sponsors and investors maybe but I’m working on that.”
M-Sport
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There remains some tough times ahead, but we want to reassure all of our customers, partners and fans that M-Sport remains open for business. Our engineers and technicians are preparing for the season opener at Rallye Monte-Carlo, and parts are still being shipped globally to ensure our customers have everything they need to prepare their own programmes.
We extend our heartfelt wishes to everyone affected by the global pandemic and everyone working on the front lines. There is light at the end of the tunnel, and if we all work together and adhere to the provisions set by our governments the sooner we can get back to fully enjoying the sport we all love.
'Preparing for Rallye Monte Carlo' but still tight-lipped on their WRC1 driver entry though.
Fingers-crossed they can get the deals done but my money is on just Greensmith & Fourmaux.
My money is on Suninen & Greensmith ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They have been entered but the event is likely cancelled though.
So, Suninen, Greensmith and Fourmaux. Only Gus with full programme.
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-pos...urmaux-in-2021
official link https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-pos...urmaux-in-2021
Our striking 2020 livery will also be carried forward to 2021, albeit with a few subtle changes - a new roof motif prominent amongst these changes and extending the popular design with further flashes of blue �� #WRC #MSPORTERS
such a shame cause the were the only ones who were gonna change if anything.