Hyundai i20 WRC

It's funny why WRC teams invest so much in high-spec equipment and top engineers while some forum members can come to conclusion just by watching youtube :)

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Originally Posted by rallyfun

Your posts are full of contradiction. Just let you know I have been watching WRC cars live on rallies not on youtube for years, if I have no timing from test or stages and any reference car I am not able to judge if the car is fast or slow, it is simple as that. On stages I can only assume that one car or driver is probably faster than other by watching breaking points and gear change, that's it, otherwise I need to see time. It is You who twist facts if you claim the car is slow, how did you find that out? Any data? Speed, times, comparison to other cars or what?

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Don't be silly. I understand You can't see if for example JML is faster than Ogier in NORF just from watching but You must see that both are faster than let's say Prokop. You can't be 100% sure that Polo of Ogier is faster than DS3 of Mikko but You must be sure even from watching that both are faster than was the Mini of Kosciuszko. If you have some experience You must see that clearly, don't You?

We don't speak about judging some tiny margin like 0,1 s/km or something similar. We speak about clear big differences. If You don't see that in the videos of Hyundai, You are blind no matter Your experience. Sorry for being harsh but it's like that.

And again I want to repeat that I have never said it would stay slow in the future. I have even commented that I'm fully confident with Pipo Moteur engine. You can find it two pages back. I'm only defending the statement that the car in recent test videos is slower than existing WRC cars because it is.

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Originally Posted by wrc1600

It's funny why WRC teams invest so much in high-spec equipment and top engineers while some forum members can come to conclusion just by watching youtube :)

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The high-tech equipment and top engineers are not there to find the obvious. They are not there to see that a car in some stage of development is let's say 2 s/km slower than others (just example!). They are there to find WHY and WHAT shall be done to make it better.

@rallyfun, it's not because you can't see the difference, that others can't. Unlike Mirek I don't believe it has something to do with being blind, you just need to be interested in the mechanical side of it. If you don't know how a car works, you can't expect to see the differences. Maybe you're just not interested in the technical side at all? Did you ever go and watch a test? IF you never did, I surely recommend you to do that in the future. :) It's always nice to see changes/differences on the car during the test.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

@rallyfun, it's not because you can't see the difference, that others can't. Unlike Mirek I don't believe it has something to do with being blind, you just need to be interested in the mechanical side of it. If you don't know how a car works, you can't expect to see the differences. Maybe you're just not interested in the technical side at all? Did you ever go and watch a test? IF you never did, I surely recommend you to do that in the future. :) It's always nice to see changes/differences on the car during the test.

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I have seen pretty much everything about WRC rallies. All I have asked was how on earth can you tell from youtube clip the car looks slow if you don't have reference. I even ask some specific questions but no one bothered to answer ( I guess they don't have answer), instead I have got some aggressive and abusive replies. What do you mean by "look slow" if you watch just one car and when would you say it's fast? What do you compare this speed to? I guess it's not fastest as any other car at this stage of development and that's that.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Don't be silly. I understand You can't see if for example JML is faster than Ogier in NORF just from watching but You must see that both are faster than let's say Prokop. You can't be 100% sure that Polo of Ogier is faster than DS3 of Mikko but You must be sure even from watching that both are faster than was the Mini of Kosciuszko. If you have some experience You must see that clearly, don't You?

We don't speak about judging some tiny margin like 0,1 s/km or something similar. We speak about clear big differences. If You don't see that in the videos of Hyundai, You are blind no matter Your experience. Sorry for being harsh but it's like that.

And again I want to repeat that I have never said it would stay slow in the future. I have even commented that I'm fully confident with Pipo Moteur engine. You can find it two pages back. I'm only defending the statement that the car in recent test videos is slower than existing WRC cars because it is.



The high-tech equipment and top engineers are not there to find the obvious. They are not there to see that a car in some stage of development is let's say 2 s/km slower than others (just example!). They are there to find WHY and WHAT shall be done to make it better.

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I am completely lost now in what is your point. You gave me a lecture how to tell the difference in cars/drivers speed and then tried to apply the same to youtube clip with just one car on it, no reference,no nothing. Lets take your points and say you are right and I am blind, explain why do you think Hyundai is slow and compare to what.

I can tell. I know what Mirek means.

It´s more than a feeling. You just see it on the videos. As I said before the engine seemed to be in another mood than a proper WRC-car. The handling of the car wasn´t similar to what we´ve seen during the past two tears of 1,6 WRC-cars in competition.

And that is what has been confirmed by the journalists reporting from Mr Nandan´s commentarys after testing.

Blind or not. We are a lot of viewers doing the conclusions that I20 is still having a long way to go. Hope it ends well.

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Originally Posted by rallyfun

I am completely lost now in what is your point. You gave me a lecture how to tell the difference in cars/drivers speed and then tried to apply the same to youtube clip with just one car on it, no reference,no nothing. Lets take your points and say you are right and I am blind, explain why do you think Hyundai is slow and compare to what.

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My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

My last post regarding this. When I'm watching a woman do I need to see a man in the same time to find who of them is a woman? In Thailand it might be tricky but otherwise I would say no. Thanks to FIA we have pretty much strict regulations in WRC which rule out Thailand-like confusion (such as electric car among petrol ones) and that's why I can be pretty sure about obvious things.

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LOL! :p The size of their hands give it away Mirek ;) :D

How do you know that Tom?

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Originally Posted by EightGear

How do you know that Tom?

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A Dutch TV program that suddenly appeared on my tv-screen while zapping. :p