Hyundai i20 WRC

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Originally Posted by dimviii

so some guys here are genious,or some else haven t got a clue from what they watch.

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Or some disagree just to disagree?

Hyundai really should have let the motorsport arm to develop the car from the get go, but I guess there just wasn't enough time. The timetable for the project is too tight, they should start only in 2015. Especially with VW now involved in rallying, the bar has been lifted and even Citroën is struggling to cope with the level required.

2014 will be a development season for sure, and looks like the 2015 car will be totally different. In my mind it would be good if they just keep Hänninen and Bouffier for 2014, as they are good developers...no sense in putting any young gun into the car for 2014. Then for 2015 go for full attack.

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Originally Posted by pantealex

YES!

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Oh! They haven't got very long...

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

Can anyone tell if they even uses turbo on the current testcar. IMHO it doesn´t sound like that, more like S2000.

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It sounds better than a Fiesta WRC at least, which I am quite surprised about because Pipo engines usually sound boring.

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Originally Posted by RS

...because Pipo engines usually sound boring.

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As the most boring of them - the 306 Maxi (sorry, I couldn't resist :D )

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Originally Posted by noel157

So, from the clips you've seen does the Hyundai look fast, slow, not very quick, slower than a donkey or what?

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Looks as any of WRC while testing, how can you tell whether is slow or fast if you don't know the speed, length of the test stage and the stage time? Based on that how can you tell it looks slower or faster than other cars?

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Originally Posted by rallyfun

Looks as any of WRC while testing, how can you tell whether is slow or fast if you don't know the speed, length of the test stage and the stage time? Based on that how can you tell it looks slower or faster than other cars?

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No. If You have ever seen a WRC car few times You must see that this car in shape it is now is slow. If You don't see that You either don't want to see that or You are blind. Sorry.

That all still doesn't mean it will stay slow and nobody is claiming that. We don't know the whole story and we shall not overestimate test footage but that doesn't change anything on clear facts. There is absolutely no reason to twist them. What is it good for to pretend I'm amazed by the footage when there is nothing amazing in it? The only correct way is to look on things as realistic as one can do because that's the only way to learn something.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

As the most boring of them - the 306 Maxi (sorry, I couldn't resist :D )

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I should have known someone would mention that :p

I meant Pipo turbo engines.

I'd say that Hyundai will be competitive form day one like the VW Polo WRC

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Originally Posted by Mirek

No. If You have ever seen a WRC car few times You must see that this car in shape it is now is slow. If You don't see that You either don't want to see that or You are blind. Sorry.

That all still doesn't mean it will stay slow and nobody is claiming that. We don't know the whole story and we shall not overestimate test footage but that doesn't change anything on clear facts. There is absolutely no reason to twist them. What is it good for to pretend I'm amazed by the footage when there is nothing amazing in it? The only correct way is to look on things as realistic as one can do because that's the only way to learn something.

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Your posts are full of contradiction. Just let you know I have been watching WRC cars live on rallies not on youtube for years, if I have no timing from test or stages and any reference car I am not able to judge if the car is fast or slow, it is simple as that. On stages I can only assume that one car or driver is probably faster than other by watching breaking points and gear change, that's it, otherwise I need to see time. It is You who twist facts if you claim the car is slow, how did you find that out? Any data? Speed, times, comparison to other cars or what?