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Again new director, still old car and nothing changes :D
But likely now clear new direction on the creation of the 2027 car....Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Clear response to Abiteboul's stupid question about BoP: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fia-e...d-rally2-cars/
A stupid question Abiteboul asked whilst also saying 'we wont develop a WRC27, but we will develop a Rally2 from the ground up'.
It's a problem across the Hyundai brand; they don't know wtf they're doing. No strategy, flip-flopping, too many cooks, not enough broth. New model line launch, new model line cancelled. Commit to this, but don't commit to this.
Cyril is right.
What’s the point of 27 spec cars if they can be so easily balanced with weight against Rally2?
What’s the point of Toyota making a new car 18 months after their Rally2?
Also, how can Mestalon seriously say that BoP in WEC is working well? The only reason the disaster of that is not more talked about is because the FIA literally implemented a rule that says you can be penalised for talking about it…..
Am I misunderstanding? As I can see it, there will be a weight advantage with a WRC27. Toyota will win every event if they turn up as the only WRC2027 runner. The idea of adding Rally2 is so that the championship continues with manufacturers, not promoter-backed entries.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
The manufacturers champ should only permit existing Rally2s and no new ones should be homologated after Lancia.
WRC27 will likely be more heavier than Rally2. So how is being heavier a weight advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
The weight will be adjusted to give both types of car equal performance. The WRC27 will likely need extra weight added as balast as it's a spaceframe chassis.
According to David Evans? Or based on what parts? I'm not sure Mestelan is saying this. The minimum weight of the new car has been set the same as Rally2 for the short term but in his words it has a slight advantage due to aerodynamics etc. The ballast is already priced in to the minimum weight. He says: "To do that, in what we call short term, it’s to have in the same category Rally2 and the new WRC27 regulation." So when there's enough new cars and manufacturers, they will rid Rally2, ramp up the power and lose the weight for RC1 and keep it the same for RC2.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
This whole conversation and two DF articles are shaped around Cyril mouthing nothings at scraping through only 2027 without looking beyond, even if he does say running a Rally2 could be a stepping stone to remaining in WRC long term - with an already out of production car. Hyundai want to add 'technology to the car' because they're not interested in Rally2 powered WRC2027, but they're not willing to build the car that the FIA will allow them to 'add technology to' later on down the line, so they might run a Rally2 powered Rally2 car.
WTAF? I'd have respect for them all if he just cuts the crap and calls it what it is. They've given us some good times, just annoying me now.
Yes, according to Evans. There was clearly written what I highlighted below, but now reading your comments, I think you are right.
Evans: So, balance of power and equalization of technology are definitely not to be mentioned… but there’s still the matter of the need for a fair fight between a production-based car and the spaceframe chassis. Yes, they’ll have the same power output, suspension and transmission – but WRC27 is very likely to weigh more.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fia-e...d-rally2-cars/
Amazing that Abiteboul's statement of "we may not build 2027 spec car" hasn't created more stir than this? I only read about it now, three days afterwards and to find more I have to google myself into bleeding Dirtfish (site I avoid like plague otherwise).
why? nobody is doing a wrc27 other than toyota, and as long as there won't be enough, they ll keep rally2 in the same category. "real" 27 spec may never happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Death of WRC is written right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Why? Its like Gr.A, a much better championship than Gr.B ever was.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
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sorry but you are comparing apples and sour grapesQuote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Todays wrc1 compared to wrc2, VS Gr.B compared to Gr.A, how on this earth is that somehow not comparable?
It was a step down, and in my opinion it was much better in every aspect.
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Isn't Rally2 performance compared to old spec WRC if not better (pre 2017).
Rally2 now is faster than group b or 2016 wrc. We have seen a few years of unprecedented speed since 2017.
Might be just as fast, but sound and looks are lacking. I can't get much more views on an ERC round compared to a Norwegian rally
https://youtu.be/7WC_WbgjE_o?si=sm3xv6aLNzJPyfBR
CER 2025, Liaison episode 12.
That ‘should’ be a relatively easy fix though, take the rally2 basis and make them look and sound a bit more exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
The cars in the WEC Hypercar class look superficially like LMP1 cars, but are much lower tech, less powerful and considerably cheaper, yet it is thriving at the moment. Hypercar is barely any quicker than a de-restricted LMP2 cars.
https://www.autosport.be/i/800/uploa...2d4922e3ec.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Before 2017, wrc's weren't really looking that more agressive than the rc2 cars today. They were just as wide.
And that sound can be fixed easily.
Quite a humor guy this new boss
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...pions-in-2026/
Quote:
Hyundai: We will be WRC champions in 2026..
*** (maybe) if Toyota agrees to drive with rally2 cars :D :D
Champions of whining for sure. And my prediction is that they will still not field more than 3 cars at each event.
That has to be the attitude and I'm sure the one Adamo had when they did win the Championship. There's no point in Hyundai being there if they aren't aiming for the top. The whole Team need to buy in to it and what their hard work is for, otherwise they really dont have a chance of beating Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Hyundai Motorsport has strengthened its resources by adding two valuable members of staff, which will oversee programmes in the World Rally Championship and WEC
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...wrc-/10773612/
Over 13 rallies (full 2024 season)
2025 Fourmaux: 96 points, 21 stage wins, 9 stages in lead, 3 podiums (3x3.)
2024: Hyundai 3rd car (Sordo,Lappi, Mikkelsen): 117 points, 12 stage wins, 21 stages in lead, 1 win, 2 podiums (2.+3.)
2024 Fourmaux at MSport: 162 points, 11 stage wins, 1 stage in lead, 5 podiums (5x3.)
Would Fourmaux do as bad if he stayed at MSport? Prbly yes cause Sesks also seemed to confirm Puma got slower. Still if you compare expectations from Fourmaux and others at the start of the year this is quite a letdown. Speed was usually decent (no very bad rallies) especially good on tarmac, but seemingly at the expense of consistency.
Sesks also crashed and broke tyres a lot.. it's not cars fault..
But Fourmaux is good choice for Hyundai.. he has speed and one day wins a rally also
Right now Solberg would be a much better choice.
This year he finally got consistent and also got an actual win. Fourmaux got backwards with this 110% pushes until crash. Specially the stupid mistakes after making a small mistake 1-2 stages before stand out.
Solberg will definitely pick any (small) number of Rally1 starts at Toyota over full season at Hyundai though.
Fourmaux has been a bit of an idiot at times this year, but I think he's improving.
Fourmaux finally got paid. I doubt he had any salary in MSport.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
With tanak retiring, who will be their 3th driver next year? We suddenly go from a lack of seats, to a lack of top drivers.
Gryazin is crazy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I don't agree there is a lack of top drivers.
Both Solberg and Pajari are ready for full season and have shown they can be competitive even against these retiring guys. So have the 3 drivers kicked at end of last year.
Rossel and Gryazin are the next after that with quite stable performances on all surfaces lately. Though off course they lack top tier experience.
It’s a shame he’s stepping back, clearly one of, if not the fastest guy when fully lit. However, it’s a time of change for the WRC, and it free’s up a spot in a decent car for next year for someone new to have a go. I’d prefer they look forward and not backwards with regard to a driver. With Solberg seemingly in at Toyota, Pajari hopefully ready to step on and maybe another now at Hyundai, that’s something to look forward to.
The phone at Hyundai is going to be ringing a lot!
Didnt Lancia just signed these two? Ohhh they must be so angry with a possible lost opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The best solution now would be Sordo, consistent and still fast, he would definetely bring big chunk of manufacturer points. Also it could be Mikkelsen, since he already convince them 2 times, but I still root tht he somehow convince Skoda to enter the big league or at least manufacturer Rally2 cars (without him I think Skoda would not bother, so it would be bad for sport).
cough cough ~~ Paddon has been winning NZ, European and Australian titles "with Hyundai" over these last 4 years ~~ cough cough
Solberg is not going to Hyundai. After 2022 they were razor focused on a Yaris seat. There is no way Oliver will turn down that opportunity after all. Especially for a one off with Hyundai.
Rosell at Lancia, Solberg at Toyota.
The two (arguably) top WRC2 drivers have signed elsewhere. Meanwhile, a two-time champ is off to chase F1 dreams and Tanak steps away.
The options for a third Hyundai driver are slim, even Lappi has committed to the Finnish championship next season. Sordo would be dependable, but a year away from competing on WRC events. Hyundai doesn't really have a pipeline of junior drivers anymore, either.
What a mess!
Maybe just a two car team for '26? That would be my guess right now.