Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by HereIam

if he braked and slowed down behind Kimi instead of cutting the chicane, Lewis would have been a lot more behind Kimi than that... by cutting the chicane and then positioning himself so close to Kimi, he gained an unfair advantage in my opinion. But I'm sure you disagree

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Not really..I can follow you there..but when the same situation happens in a race and one gets a penalty and the other not...

If Kimi braked harder at the first corner to make it properly...he would never been so close behind Massa to overtake him soon after..so he gained advantage to from leaving the track...correct me if I am wrong ?

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

than how can a driver give back advantage if nobody can say what it exactly means ?...and where does it say in situations like this a driver should wait at least one corner to make another attempt to pass the other driver involved ? Like some say lewis should have donne ?

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I hereby give notice that I am ignoring your posts from this moment onwards. You don't get it..... you... just.... don't.... get it.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Do you know what?

That was superb!!

2 drivers giving it all but fairly. Nobody pushing the other off and letting their skill decide the result.

This is what F1 should be. With drivers like Lewis, Alonso, Massa, Kimi, Kube etc, it could so easily be again.

There is a cancer in F1 and until it's removed, we will never get the sport we deserve.

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The problem with F1 is the cars. Too much aero grip and not enough mechanical grip. Slicks next year won't sort this either IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I hereby give notice that I am ignoring your posts from this moment onwards. You don't get it..... you... just.... don't.... get it.

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awwwwwwwwwwwwwww...hides in a corner and starts crying ! *rolling eyes*

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I hereby give notice that I am ignoring your posts from this moment onwards. You don't get it..... you... just.... don't.... get it.

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you know what the difference is between you and me..you have your view on things..and I have mine...does that mean I have to ingore someone ? don't see why...it's a bit childish actualy !

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

I hope you saw Kimi goin off track at the first corner gaining advantage ? :-))

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can't answer that... don't remember the incident, honest!

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

you know what the difference is between you and me..you have your view on things..and I have mine...does that mean I have to ingore someone ? don't see why...it's a bit childish actualy !

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Amen, brother!










*Other than that, I don't agree with a word you say!

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

Not really..I can follow you there..but when the same situation happens in a race and one gets a penalty and the other not...

If Kimi braked harder at the first corner to make it properly...he would never been so close behind Massa to overtake him soon after..so he gained advantage to from leaving the track...correct me if I am wrong ?

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I managed to re-watch the incident... I think you got a point there... :-)

Lewis , in his own words , "had a look" , at the chicane , and it didn't come off . Kimi defended , as was his perogative .
Had Lewis braked any later , it was likely that he wouldn't have made it . He is a pretty good judge of such things , and doesn't generally have a reputation of flying off everywhere as his driving is often described as smooth .
If we see that as likely , then we might be able to say with confidence , that Kimi had his line , and braking , just right , as , in the entry of the chicane Lewis couldn't get his nose in far enough on his "look" in , to obtain the dominant position for the next apex .
Lewis backed out , going off track , left , while Kimi took the corner .

At this point Lewis was compromized by the excursion , and the onus was on the driver to show clearly to have negated any advantage that going outside the racing surface had gained him .


We have a judgement call here .
Once Hamilton made the decision to have a look , he sealed his fate .
He might easily have been able to get him on the pit straight , had he followed him through , as some have suggested . Maybe he should have .

Had he braked slightly earlier , on the line he took , a move to regain the same position out was less likely , since Kimi timed it well , and was there to compromise an "outside in" move with his positioning .
The opposite "inside out" move was there , I think , but alas , the early brakes weren't .

Kimi's slighly erratic behavior at the end of the pit straight made me think about what he , perhaps was thinking at the time .
Something like "Hey . He can't do that !" comes to mind .
After all , Kimi does know how to defend , and that was not how to defend .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

After all , Kimi does know how to defend...

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Not sure about that - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KW2BixHl5oU ;)