Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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10th July 2008, 15:37
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I'm sorry, but there is no comparison.

There is, but my example just doesn't produce the result that fits your argument. I don't claim that that makes your argument immeasurably weaker than mine.
10th July 2008, 17:00

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

There is, but my example just doesn't produce the result that fits your argument. I don't claim that that makes your argument immeasurably weaker than mine.

That's because you can't.
10th July 2008, 17:20
Tazio

"Aint nothin ever as good as you want it to be. But thats no reason to break a deal"!

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

If you're going to wildly speculate about "E"'s reasons for not showing up today, one could equally wonder whether she'd been bribed or threatened. I can think of plenty more reasons why she didn't show up! :dozey:

Upon thoughtful consideration I believe that the defense has actually been truthful
in their portrayal of Woman E, in regard to why she didn’t appear in court.
Now she can't face the friends (including "Mike") that she betrayed.
She went down to the crossroads and signed her deal in blood, for a pittance!!
Ol' "leggba" ain't breakin' no deals. She can live on in the knowledge
that for the rest of her life she has Hellhounds on her trail! :eek:
11th July 2008, 09:48
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

So headlines like "Bizarre sex life of F1 boss Max Mosley revealed to court" has no impact on F1?

A GP organiser asking that Max does not attend the Bahrain GP.
Toyota, Honda, Mercedes & BMW criticise the FIA President and ask him to consider his position.
Germany's national motoring body request that that FIA President "reconsider his position".
Dutch Federation want Max the FIA President to resign.
American Automobile Association want the FIA President to quit.
Motorsport New Zealand, Canadian Automobile Association, Motorsport South Africa want the FIA President to quit.
Porsche say scandal makes F1 unattractive.
Past (Ickx, Lauda, Hill) and present drivers (Webber) say the FIA President should either quit or reconsider his position.
Israel withdraws invite to the FIA President to discuss motorsport in the region.
The FIA President unable to attend offical FIA functions at Monaco GP.
F1 engine manufacturers skip meeting with FIA President at Monaco.
19 automobile clubs ask the FIA President to resign.
Ecclestone calls for FIA President to resign.
Concerns of split within the FIA and F1 after the FIA President wins EGM vote.

No impact on F1 :confused: :crazy:

Nothing happened, of all those "threats" you are listing, none came to a harmful conclusion to F1. Why because it wasn't anything serious.

However, keep flogging that dead horse! :laugh:
11th July 2008, 09:50
ioan

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Not surprisingly, you didn't mention these....

Donington owners coughing up £100million to host British GP,
American looking at starting new F1 team.
Talk of US GP returning to Indy.
Middle Eastern countries wanting to host GP's.
No major manufacturers leaving F1.
More FIA members vote for Mosley to stay than to go.
Attendance & viewing figures, vital for sponsors, totally unaffected.

Compared to your list, most of which are non-issues outside the inner-workings of the FIA, that shows that interest in Formula One has not been affected by Mosley's personal-life activities.

In fact, I'd like to see your reasons why, if Mosley is such a dead duck, any of these have happened?

According to your stance, Mosley is damaging the sport.

The facts say otherwise.

Exactly! :up:

Cheers! ;)
11th July 2008, 09:56
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

There is, but my example just doesn't produce the result that fits your argument. I don't claim that that makes your argument immeasurably weaker than mine.

Let it go Arrows, you have no argument whatsoever, no facts to stand on, nothing, only your subjective opinion about Max's person. I can also tell you that it is because he had the guts to rightly hit McLaren and Ron last season. So you have a problem with max for all the wrong reasons.
11th July 2008, 11:42
Knock-on

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let it go Arrows, you have no argument whatsoever, no facts to stand on, nothing, only your subjective opinion about Max's person. I can also tell you that it is because he had the guts to rightly hit McLaren and Ron last season. So you have a problem with max for all the wrong reasons.

You forgot to add "in my opinion" as the facts Arrows has posted are referencable and proven.

I suppose your objectivity can be best demonstrated where you quote a post of Arrows where he directly references 14 specific examples that directly relate to the negative impact caused by Maxgate. You dismiss these facts without giving them a reasoned answer and yet when Tamburello quotes 7 examples, you accept them as Gospel.

Lets look at the things you agree with.

Donington owners coughing up £100million to host British GP, - They have been after the British GP for years. This is nothing to do with Max

American looking at starting new F1 team. - I'm looking to win the Lottery. Until it's starts a team, it's not real. Still, nothing directly attributal to Max again

Talk of US GP returning to Indy. - See above

Middle Eastern countries wanting to host GP's. - See above

No major manufacturers leaving F1. - That would be an extreme reaction, would it not? However, a more appropiate response may have been for Major Manufacturers voice their concern and ask Max to resign would it not? Mmmmm

More FIA members vote for Mosley to stay than to go. - Then you must also agree that the members that voted for Max to go represent the vast majority of the worlds larger clubs. When you have the German or American vote having the same clout as the Vatican city or Angola, then this sort of farce is likely to happen.

Attendance & viewing figures, vital for sponsors, totally unaffected. - Link Please.

So, Arrows posts facts that have occured as a result of Maxgate and you dismiss them because they are contrary to your view and yet you agree with points based that have nothing to do with the issue, are based on rumour or are opinion with no base in fact.

If you carry on flogging that dead horse, I'll set the RSPCA on you :D
11th July 2008, 11:46
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

If you carry on flogging that dead horse

peolple will call you Max!
11th July 2008, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

So, Arrows posts facts that have occured as a result of Maxgate and you dismiss them because they are contrary to your view and yet you agree with points based that have nothing to do with the issue, are based on rumour or are opinion with no base in fact.

They have absolutely everything to do with the issue. There has been no significant or meaningful damage to the sport. The FIA continues to operate. All that has happened is a few press releases and a few withdrawn party invitations.

If that is your idea of damage, then it is a very strange one.

Arrows points are rightly dismissed because they are utterly irrelevant to the claims that 'damage' has been done. Real damage is loss of income, loss of events.

Once again....show us the damage!
11th July 2008, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Arrows has posted are referencable and proven.

Proven? He claims that damage has been done to the FIA which makes Mosley's tenure impossible. He has offered no proof to back this up.

Please provide the PROOF that Mosley's position is untenable.

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