A fine 2nd place for young Will Creighton too.
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A fine 2nd place for young Will Creighton too.
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This is spot on and was also applicable to those trying to follow and watch online. The poor presenters were also left in the dark and unable to tell us what was happening and why.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
The streams came was across as amateur hour when they weren't to blame. Anyone watching for the first time or from abroad were given a lousy impression of the BRC.
I'm sure we appreciate the circumstances on here, but can you think of many other sports in which members of the public are expected to book and pay to attend an event, which then has unfortunately turned into a shambles, where the default response from the sport is inevitably going to be, 'feel free to try and do it better yourself?'. Luckily this is now a niche sport and we're all in or near enough to the bubble to be familiar with the absurdity of it all, but otherwise the media would have a field day with that attitude, after a sporting equivalent of a Glaswegian Willy Wonka experience...Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
After 35+ years of working on results on events from SV to BRC & WRGB, I know only too well that without competitors and spectators, running rallies would be a breeze.
Looking at competitors stage times in starting order on Rallies.info (the event results provider) and seeing who got notional times, it looks to me as though there were two separate blockages on SS1, a blockage on SS2 and another on SS3. Without actual times of day at the relevant controls I can't be more precise, nor can I say how long the stages were held up or how many of these had to be managed simultaneously. As you're well aware, though maybe some spectators aren't, when the field gets split and there's a gap of more than 20 minutes you need to put a safety car in the gap before the stage is resumed. There's also the remaining road closure time to be considered for getting later runs in where closed roads are used more than once. It is very often much easier to scrub a couple of stages altogether to get the event back on schedule and bunch the field back into a single group with a sensible running order than it is to try and juggle things back together. It has happened in the past on JCMR, Manx National & Rally Isle of Man and, no doubt, it will happen again in future somewhere. It's unfortunate but it's the nature of the game and when those in Rally Control are busy managing incidents they often don't have time to tell the world what's going on. Comparing the LFNWS organisers to a bunch of con-artists in Glasgow is grossly unfair.
That wasn't the intention. But equally I don't think it's fair (as is always the case) to have little to no respect for the experience of spectators, particularly when they've jumped through the expected hoops, respected the constraints imposed by the organisers and paid for the privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
Watching the numerous fan videos on YT last night was a treat and helped me forget the frustration of the 'live' experience. The action was superb and I saw more good stuff in a few minutes than 8 hours of the live streams. These guys had much closer and more interesting vantage points than Special Stage.
I think in future I'll just follow the times and leave the viewing until the evening.
It may be worth asking for a refund if you'd paid to watch on SS4 or SS5 and weren't able to wait for the later runs, but I don't know what the T&C's on the tickets were.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
What I do know, from reading the official noticeboard on Sportity, is that they ran the second loop at 30 second start intervals, rather that whole minutes, which is something that is done to get the field through before the road closure expires. That, in itself, can often cause more problems and as someone who has been in HQ when things have gone badly wrong I think the organisers desrerve some credit for getting the event back on track for the second loop.
Not sure if the majority of the YT footage was shot by signed on media however it does look like one of those events where local knowledge comes to the fore as plenty with a "ring side" view rather than filmed over the top of a hedge. Will have to do a "recce" during the summer as many moons since I was on a road rally in that part of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I expected Special Stage to have recce'd the roads better as their locations weren't great. Especially the first one which was basically a straight, half of which was hidden by a hedge !Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Lack of local knowledge is a problem if you are attending as the official spectator areas seemed poor and overcrowded. If you find some good places please share them for next year !
Dirtfish's David Evans on the BRC's 'tricky start'...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/brc/brcs-...-tricky-start/
With regards local knowledge, closed road rallies have the advantage of google maps street view, so if you can find the stage maps its fairly easy to find a good place to spectate.
The biggest problem is finding somewhere to park where you aren't causing a nuisance, which sometimes means a bit of a walk, 40 minute walk for me on Saturday.
Yeah thats what I meant by doing a recce. Never want to cause any issues locally with parking and certainly dont want to be trying to access land with livestock like sheep during peak lambing season.
One thing that puzzles me a bit and very apparent on the YT videos was that virtually everyone there had a fancy camera and was staring at their 'shot' the second the car went past. Are these people really rally fans or toggers ?
And how often will they look at all their 100s of photos once they get home ?Once or twice probably and then never again.
I prefer to just enjoy the full spectacle, the noise, the smell and keep that as my memory. I'm sure it lasts much longer that way.
Most of them will share them on Facebook and try to sell them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I think me and me dad had a collection of about 250,000 photos when we stopped, I lost most of them on an old hard drive sadly but would only really look at a few of the wrc ones, I enjoyed taking most of them but a lot of the rallying was very boring to watch. 100 car entry and the top ten would be good to watch, then another ten spread through the rest of the field.
I’ve found it’s much more interesting competing. Even in the slower ones.
It was all much more fun with film back in the days when there were magazines and publishers willing to pay for rally pictures.
Now other than one or two outlets its people asking for freebies or 'togs giving stuff away then paying for the privilege of a blue tabard.
Does anyone know the sportity password for the Rallynuts Stages? Hoping to spend the full day in Hafren, starting with Sweet Lamb then into the forest itself for the second pass
Great fight between the Fiesta twins of Cronin & Edwards on the Circuit of Ireland. Trading stage wins and just 0.2s between them after the morning loop !
Devine out and Josh Moffett really struggling again in the Citroen C3.
Circuit of Ireland result Top Five:
1 Edwards 1:11:46.3s
2 Cronin +14.4s
3 Moffett +1:46.1
4 McCourt +2:11.5
5 Jennings +3:43.2
I'm delighted for Matt Edwards after his struggles to get funding and for another Ford 1-2.
Anyone looking at the provisional entry list for the forthcoming Manx National would wonder why there have been threads here and on other forums about the health of UK rallying...195 entries!
https://www.rallies.info/webentry/20...ies.php?type=u
Remember the first round of the BRC the North West stages is on ITV 4 at 17.45pm today. Pity the snooker is on as they could have B2B'd it with the Safari which is on at 22.10pm!
Just watched the NW Stages highlights and I am quite impressed with the overall package. The presentation was pretty slick and modern looking, but it still had a quite familiar traditional feel. The comms with David Addison helped with that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
The rally conditions and issues didnt make it easy to cover but the action shown wasnt bad. Maybe the future events will be done better with more benign weather.
The showing of cars & drivers from the difference Classes was a bit confusing for the non-rally fans. More stage end interviews wouldve been good too and showing each stage times.
A good effort all in all.
Thought the coverage was ok, but kept jumping from car to car too quickly and all in different classes rather than grouped together in there respective classes.
Think the rally nuts will be easier to cover and longer shots of the cars.
OK start but room for improvement.
I am going to be spectating on the rally nuts severn valley stages and am looking for the sportity password or just the stage maps if anyone has them?
Thanks
BRM didnt hold back with their verdict on the BRC coverage...
https://x.com/BritRallyMedia/status/...591346609?s=20
No, and I applaud his/ their honesty. The 'better than nothing' has been the usual comment for rally coverage from British rally fans for too long......
I thought it was okay; but a little disjointed, and the camera positions could have been far better. I don't know how much communication there is between the event organisers, and TV crew regarding camera positions - but in most sports it's done to showcase the sport in its best light. In an ideal world, camera positions would be decided when the route is being planned........
I think my positivity possibly came from comparing it to the abysmal YT-only efforts in previous years. Plus as an Ingram fan he got a lot of coverage which I enjoyed.
I dont know how the camera positions were chosen but the live streams were also pretty poor. Maybe the weather made a difference and they needed to get some shelter. I guess we'll see on the next shows.
Absolutely pathetic coverage. Ridiculously bad quality, out of focus shots of car approaching stop line only for Matt to walk in front of the camera so cameraman had to walk around the car door. That would be terrible on live coverage, never mind the production studios they have. Interviewer must have forgotten to switch on the mic so couldn’t hear what was being said - that should be picked up straight away when it’s happening so they can redo it properly.
With the budget they had, there is no excuse for not coping with stage cancellations or weather - it’s rallying!!
They had a recce of the route beforehand and had a lot of help, there’s absolutely no excuse for it.
And put it this way, for what they’re being paid for the year it would be a nicely sized pension pot for me.
Spectator information is available at https://rallynutsrally.co.uk/wp-cont...n-Download.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by cmac
I’ve been watching it just now and I must say I think a lot of the criticisms seem a bit harsh. I thought it wasn’t too bad, but then maybe my expectations were lowered considerably reading these comments!
I’ll concede cinematically I don’t know what I’m talking about at all but it didn’t seem too bad for the most part. There were some glaring exceptions though!
The pre-amble was good; informative without being patronising. The mix of classes wasn’t confusing to me but kept me interested - I tended to skip forward through the lower classes until the main field appeared again on the old youtube footage. And as for the ‘fancam’ footage, ‘t’was ever thus; who else remembers Steve Rider’s commentary over the the fan submitted footage of Mark Lovell’s crash on the Twiglees stage of the ‘86 Scottish?
Hollie McRae was surprisingly good as a service park reporter, I think I assumed there would be an overuse of sporting TV buzzwords and cliches, but there was none of that - I don’t think I even heard the word ‘iconic’ once. And service park interviews are to me what classic rally roundup shows are supposed to have, none of this ram a microphone in every driver’s face at he end of every single stage and force them to come up with something interesting and original each time…
Better stage-side shots for the Severn Valley Rally will hopefully make this properly polished and miles better than it was last time the BRC was on TV - was it back in ‘18 on Channel 4 at 7:30am on a Saturday with some berk who didn’t have the first clue about rallying?
No Sportity password as yet however the route will be on the Sporttraxx app when it goes live usually a few days before the event as they are doing the tracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
I just noticed on ewrc-results that there is a tiny bit of extra mileage in there somewhere, it’s gone from 99km to just over 100. Not a lot I know but when was the last time the BRC had 100 or more competitive km on gravel?
Yates back in BRC just for fun..
https://britishrallychampionship.co....-brc-comeback/
Might just be me, but PMs not working on here?
Was very sporadic now appears to be fully broken!Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
They keep going down, as Sal said they are broke yet again.
Keep trying they might come back again
When event routes and schedules are first published they are based on approximate measurements. They can change for a variety of reasons - bits of road you thought you could use become unavailable &c - but in this case it's probably just due to the roadbook being published with the actual trip meter measurements, rather than the pre-event estimates.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
Chris Ingram said today he's testing the 2nd MEM Yaris Rally2 'soon'.
That’s a shame, I thought he was gone for good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Talking of popular blokes, I wonder if we'll see Tom Cave out this year?
Jos Verstappen on his BRC & gravel debut:
"We are very happy to come to Wales and the British Rally Championship,” Verstappen said.
“Renaud [Jamoul, co-driver] has done Wales Rally GB several times but for me, these stages will be the first.
“I only started rallying two years ago but only with tarmac events. After two test sessions in the wintertime in the south of France, we have decided to do our first proper gravel rally and as Renaud has some really good memories in Wales, this rally was looking like the best one to start with.
“There is no plan in terms of performance because it will be my first time on gravel but for sure the target is to improve and be as close as possible to the top guys. The entry field will be again really competitive, so we are looking forward [to it].”