after Suninens out from M-Sport, will there be a replacement for Acropolis?
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after Suninens out from M-Sport, will there be a replacement for Acropolis?
Lukyanuk would be a good replacement.
No replacement I think, it’s better for M-Sport to save money now as they have nothing more to play in both driver and team WRC-2 championship.
All the more than Gryazin will be there for 2 rallyes (including Greece) even if it is officially under Movisport registration and they have Kristensson + Prokop also so they can end the season properly with at least one on each rounds.
The only replacement that could have made sense would have been to give the seat to Lappi for the end of the season (beginning by Greece and then Finland) as he is free and still in title contention if he makes the last 4 rallyes. But considering the fresh relations between Lappi and M-Sport and the fact that Lappi will not pay to drive for 4 rallyes (and may even want to get paid), I think it will not happen. But clearly, it would have been a good deal: some drives for Lappi to keep some habits because he has not seriously drive since Portugal and a chance to win RC2 rallyes for M-Sport.
So clearly difficult end of season for M-Sport (and the season was quite bad globally in Rallye2, there are not even more the second best car on this market)
It's 12mins walk from the last hairpin of ss2 to 1st km of ss3 and there is a shortcut there to go. So, you can catch about 8-9 first cars at ss2 and go to ss3 and see them all. You park at the end of ss2 and you see most of wrcars 3 times. You can find interesting spectators points at both stages near the access road.Quote:
Originally Posted by subarurally
That's the access roadQuote:
Originally Posted by harriswrc
Awesome. Thanks for that info!!Quote:
Originally Posted by harriswrc
https://www.rallye-sport.fr/a-fourma...-avec-la-2022/
Not test for Fourmaux for Greece as M-Sport has other priorities with him (Greensmith will make some tests).
He is not 100% sure he will make all the four remaining rallies with the RC1 car
Not sure if I read it like that.
Anyway for Finland it might not be very necessary for Forumaux to drive WRC since that's where less aero for next year will make most difference.
But there aren't many drivers who have time and opportunity to drive instead. If we disregard Lappi, the only one is Gryazin. In that case Wilson is very brave with his repair budget.
Petter Solberg interview in Greece
https://www-4troxoi-gr.translate.goo...o=ajax,nv,elem
He said he won’t have to share the car anymore. M-Sport told him to focus on the Greece event, and then «*we will see*».Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
went through Loutraki (first half) - Agioi theodoroi (first 9kms) - Pavliani (the first kms until after the valley...then it becomes really really rough with stones everywhere do not know if they are going to send a road roller... if they do not its going to be a tyre massacre) - eleftheroxori (the first 6kms) - Shakedown (all of it) and Thiva (all of it...its a lot different at the begining and towards the end with a totally new route from last time i visited in 2012... i liked it more this year especially the first part, the one towards the end not that much unless you like to see the cars go in straight lines at very high speed)
found some interesting spots.... mostly hairpins which i love so much.
will post them here during the weekend
https://storage.googleapis.com/downl...6162&alt=media
Sunday times have some changes (Bulletin2)
Official program (PDF)
https://cutt.ly/TWmGipc
Welcome to the Rally Acropolis 2021 spectating guide, also know as "how to stop being a pleb and a burden to society when spectating events"
lets start with the shakedown
the first spot is at 0.6km a fast S and a dip on the inside... should be nice
https://imgur.com/a/915dswe
then there is the steep downhill tarmac section with a hairpin at the top at 1.6kms
the cars come towards you on the second image... the hairpin is downhill
https://imgur.com/a/CBIx5wj
at 1,8km there is a small bump and the cars might lift a wheel or something like that or the suspension will absorb it
at 3..9kms there is a bumpy straight flat out but there is no place to sit and watch the whole straight
https://imgur.com/a/0xMFVMO
then the stage gets a bit rougher and uphill until the end.
Eleftherochori
I just did the first kms until the section where all the plebs are going to be which is at around 4km
there are a few uphill hairpins (also know as pleb magnets) at 1km
Then there is a bumpy straight section with some small bumps at 2.5kms
https://imgur.com/a/NQXjx1m
do not get discouraged by the speed of greek rally drivers... they are the most worthless drivers on the planet.. the proper ones are going to be nice on this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJq5tMgqxNs
Pavliani
a classic stage, all the spots are from this access
https://imgur.com/a/kBsrpz5
In the first kms there are a lot of fast S bends and the scenery is fantastic, there were some wild horses also but i doubt you are going to see them during the event.
at 0.1km
https://imgur.com/a/vnCE5De
at 0.3km
https://imgur.com/a/fVBFx9T
at 1km which is the fastest of them
the first photo is where the cars are coming from and the second is where they go
https://imgur.com/a/3uUl4aU
at 1.8kms there is a jump which could be interesting for the WRCs it goes downhill and if the choose a tight line they will jump more but if they do not then they might not... the images do not do justice... there is a nice drop.
https://imgur.com/a/bQrWZzS
in this incar from vovos the co-driver has the spot as jump.
at 6.46min
https://youtu.be/oNxErr7FMu8?t=406
at 2.9km there is a very fast flowing section where you can see the cars for around 20secs and there is a nice ditch on the inside of the corner they might cut...
https://imgur.com/a/pxiey5K
https://youtu.be/5fQMxdWSGqE?t=128
at 3kms there is a jump however the rollers went through this year and they smoothed it out so it might not be that big
https://imgur.com/a/EIHDxlP
Agioi Thedoroi
at 3kms there are 3 spots that might be small jumps all of them around 200-300meters apart... you cannot see all 3 so you have to choose one
https://imgur.com/a/9gmrZ0v
at 4.6kms there is also another jump which could be bigger and depending on the line they might do a bit sideways.
https://imgur.com/a/RD741nX
at 6.5kms they enter a tarmac section and i started crying so did not go any further
Loutraki
2 interesting sports very close to the start
at 0.3km the cars go where the car if facing
https://imgur.com/a/F5AsZu4
at 0.6kms there is a very wide fast left hander with a bump on the inside that they will go over
https://imgur.com/a/CC1pRnu
Thiva
At 4.9 there is a tricky left hander with a bump on the inside
https://imgur.com/a/peBkMG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXYmgJzvlw
and at 7.1km there is a very fast downhill jump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-bOHDRsFaU
https://imgur.com/a/qtFvh1w
and that concludes the rally guide... remember... do not be a pleb.
NOT, your pictures are missing.
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i know... have to find another uploader.... will get back to it
ok the problem was that the images take long to upload... will fix it.
update...they should be working now...
bonus images
at the start of agioi theodoroi
https://imgur.com/a/Izut0gL
the scenery over the valley at pavliani... i am sure the pro plebs will have those with a car somewhere in bottom left corner.
https://imgur.com/a/nJpcw3I
NOT, could you please clarify the condition of the access road towards Pyra Hercules , for S.S. Pavliani?
I drove it mid July and its condition was bad, especially at the last km was very rough with many big stones at the hairpins.
I was with my old Punto HGT, so at some point we got out of the car and we cleaned the road using our hands.
I saw you drove it with a new Fiesta (was it ST?). So your opinion is important.
I hope that they improved it in the meantime.
the hairpins close to the access are pretty bad with stones everywhere, but passable with a normal suspension height car (yes it was a fiesta ST, the underneath of the car never touched any of the stones and there was no need to clear any of the stones)... the rest of the access is ok, some tricky places where you have to avoid stones but nothing really bad... I do not think they improved it since july.
I think if it rains there might be big problems especially if 4x4s pass through those hairpins and expose the mud underneath the stones.
Thanks for the info.
These hairpins were passable maybe because we spent about 10 minutes to clean them.
Stones remained everywhere even after our actions, you could not see soil at all.
But before we cleaned them there were not passable with normal car, because on top of the stones more and bigger stones existed...
the situation was the same with me... you could not see the road underneath the stones...
I think we should be very thankful to NOT here.
He´s done a massive work to give information of the stages.
Even though I´m not going to Greece, it´s quite nice getting this inside information so detailed.
Thanks NOT!
Cool insight!
Sounds like Hyundai's nightmare :D
Luckily they don’t have to drive through those access roadsQuote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Thanks to all people giving inside information about the rally and stages, it's so useful for the people from outside attending the rally, and more for the firstcomers like me. The Acropolis deserves to stay in the WRC.
I have a question for the locals: on friday most people like us will be attending SS2-4 + 6, so on the way to Elatia I was thinking on taking the highway E75 instead of the more straigh road that passes through Thiva, where I expect traffic jams and delays due to the SS5. Do you think it makes sense? Will be allowed to drove the road to Zeli village from the highway against the rally route?
Could you tell us about the SS direction on these three photos? I expect that 1) the view is like going from start to finish, but have no idea about 2 and 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Thank you for your time and useful info.
https://imgur.com/a/xyFnsDtQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Maybe you will spent the same amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordib
But OK, you can be confident that through E75 you will avoid traffic.
I think if you get the exit towards Atalanti, then you can reach Zeli and walk from stage end.
I do not think that it will be a restriction.
Oliver Solberg
@OliverSolberg01
Final preparations done ahead of @AcropolisRally
before the recce starts tomorrow!The car is working well on the rough, gravelly conditions - and how great does it look too?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-iUgmSW...jpg&name=small
Thanks! we will try this option and go to the fast section before tarmac of the end of the stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yugo_para_siempre
We are also going to do SS2,4,6 on Friday. I'm still undecided on where to go for SS2,4. Was thinking maybe going up towards the start of the stage and going west past the "war memorial" and up towards that hairpin area?
I think Saturday we are going to try and do SS7-->SS9-->Service park to watch the service-->SS12. Seem doable?
And big thanks to NOT and everyone else on here for providing such good info!!!! Much appreciated as a first time WRC spectator!
I think it is too much for Saturday.
7-9-Service-12. The driving distance is big.
At least you should be at a place that you can safely walk out of the stages early, during action.
I would recommend 7 (Pavliani 1) 10-12 (Eleftherohori 1-2), not Service.
I am sceptical about the pavliani access... i am almost certain that some low suspension car is going to get stuck and could end in disaster for a lot of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yugo_para_siempre
In general the organisers did a terrible job with the access roads this year... they are very few and the crowds should be massive after 8 years without a WRC... traffic on access roads can be a real problem.
I will go the conservative way.. 2 stages and 1 service on friday and 2 stages on saturday... i will access pavliani from the start 3-4 hours before the stage starts.. if they open the stage after the first pass i will go to eleftherochori.. if not i will stay in pavliani and watch from a different spot.
I was actually thinking about this. Looks like it might make more sense to just go to the start of SS7 and maybe hike back a bit versus trying to go all the way up that road towards "pyre of hercules".Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
well the early parts of ss7 are not that interesting plus they are in the forest so visibility is limited... pyre of hercules is totally worth it and there are many places you can spectate plus usually its packed so you can have a taste of the acropolis atmosphere.. but its up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by subarurally
you can enter the stage from the start with your car around 3-4 hours before it starts and drive up to the pyre... there are plenty of parking spots there since its a valley.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
just one question about Loutraki, is there any water left in the river crossings on this stage (close to the end)?
and thx for your work! hope to meet you in some Hairpin :)
A bit of rain these days I see, but not enough to really have a big influence on the stages probably?
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
I am also sceptical about the Pavliani (Pyra Hercules) access, for the same reasons.
But I do not believe that the early part of the stage 7 is that bad.
I mean OK is not that good, like in the valley of Pyra Hercules, but between 3 km - 4 km of the stage you can find some quite nice fast spots.
I believe that if they cannot be that early (4 hours) in the stage in order to drive it, they can walk from the start to 3 km - 4 km and spectate from a decent (not perfect) spot.