https://youtu.be/RzlmiMnJcZ8
So fun to watch the rally2 guys repairing their cars. Look at the talent of this class, jeeez. Mads, Lappi, Kajetan, Ingram, Suninem, Camili, Solberg... Wish Lukyanuk were there too
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https://youtu.be/RzlmiMnJcZ8
So fun to watch the rally2 guys repairing their cars. Look at the talent of this class, jeeez. Mads, Lappi, Kajetan, Ingram, Suninem, Camili, Solberg... Wish Lukyanuk were there too
This is how Kajto won WRC3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV672yiJu0s
Btw. talking about WRC3, Lindholm was second fastest R5/Rally2 in Portugal PowerStage, only 0.9s behind Lappi.
But he was also something like 25th car on the road (didn't check exact number) after all WRC and WRC2 cars while Lappi started 5th and Østberg 3rd.
Lindholm must have been very desperate, because after a very bad rally Power Stage was his only chance for at least a couple of points in WRC3.
Nice to see Kajto advising Ingram on their wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
this is what you can get hireing right out of kindergarten. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But a bit strange since his father is very much a businessman involved in motorsport.
So do not give them a mobilephone before the turn 20, and social media accounts turning 22.
:smash:
There is no such thing as a telephone permit exactly for the reason that it can not be proven. What would you show to the police if they decided to check you on the border?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
where is mknight when you need him?
Defending WRC2 Champion Mads Østberg believes Andreas Mikkelsen isn’t the biggest threat to his title defense with Citroën, despite the Toksport driver’s hopes of ‘dominating’ the series.
“It was nice to hear him say it because I was quite sure that wasn’t going to happen,” Østberg told DirtFish.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ostbe...st-wrc2-rival/
As you certainly understand the main reason why Østberg is saying that is to put pressure on Mikkelsen. All the talk about "dominating" and "showing speed" has a clear goal of making him push too much.
Similarly your main reason for taking out just that one quote from the long article and post it here is to troll.
However there is some historic background there that is not clear for everyone.
Ever since the start of their careers Østberg has been especially negative to Mikkelsen for some reason (I don't know exactly why). It topped in 2008 Norwegian championship final round.
Østberg was the defending champion and had the upper hand in the start of the season but very soon Mikkelsen was the faster driver and got more wins. Before the last round "everyone" and especially Mikkelsen's team thought that Mikkelsen just had to finish 3rd to get the title. So he was driving safely and not pushing and finished 3rd.
"Everyone" was declaring him champion and Østberg supposedly congratulated him on the title on the phone after the last stage...
Then by the time they got to service someone read the rules in detail and found out that actually Østberg is champion (think it was because he won the first round or something like that). Østberg then went out and declared he knew that the whole rally. (contrast that with him congratulating on the title after last stage). Few people doubt that Mikkelsen could have driven faster and got the title by getting 2nd place in the rally if he knew it was needed (but off course he could have crashed too).
Year after Mikkelsen ran out of money and they didn't really meet in direct competition so it seemed this calmed down. This year Østberg is for some reason going back towards this anti-Mikkelsen mentality. Recently he also declared in an interview how he "beat" Mikkelsen last time they were driving WRCs in 2018.
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But obviously for this kind of talk to work at all there has to be some truth in it. Which is:
- Lappi has indeed more points (59) from his 2 starts than Mikkelsen from any 2 starts (53), Østberg has 44 from his 2, Suninen 41
- In Portugal 3 drivers had same or better speed than Østberg (Lappi, Suninen and Gryazin), this was somewhat surprising tbh, I was expecting Østberg to fight with Lappi, while I certainly didn't expect him to be as good on tarmac in Croatia. Gryazin does not have high title chances though with one zero alreadly and 3+4th place. For some reason he also isn't entered for championship points in Sardinia.
- As is also pointed out in the article when Mikkelsen announced his aim to dominate every rally he starts in the only people who said they will enter WRC2 were Fourmaux and Solberg. And this was after Monza when Mikkelsen indeed did just "dominate" against Østberg (one running WRC3 and one WRC2 though)
Beep beep beep, Andreas is reversing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
If you make such a bolt statement, you can expect some counters when it's not happening :)
i just wanted to be sure that you will read the whole article.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
What a letdown by Mikkelsen, another rally and another early exit. I dont know whats the problem (I dont think its a car, maybe psychological?), but things clearly isnt going his way, he can forget a WRC seat if he cant keep it on the road. I dont think he had an actual pressure to perform in this rally (or also in Croatia), but given his experience, absolutely unnecessary and unforgivable early rally mistakes from him.
He had massive pressure here and also in Croatia... in Croatia due to obviously getting beaten by Lappi in Arctic and here cause Lappi got another good results in Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
At the same time Østberg and Gryazin just drove a full rally that is similar and Østberg got new dampers based on Portugal experience flown in right into his test on Monday, testing to optimize tire wear.
Mikkelsen had half a day test with a car that he hasn't drive on gravel yet after sitting at home with COVID. Combined with Østbergs "mind games" he seemingly made small mistake.
Clearly it's hard to "rate" mistakes, but in best case that one could have ended with just a few secs lost, instead the car rolled even on the open road and then 0 points retirement with car that looked just fine from the outside. If he could continue 3rd place was quite likely even without other's issues.
Yes, very bad rally for Mikkelsen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khECiUSuUUw
But even worse for Fourmaux, who crashed already on SS2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BV5G5V_uIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-qeA_yLAC4
Sorry, but all this sounds like excuses. There is one main thing to remember - it is the pressure which he made on himself at the beginning of the season (not by his team, sponsors or fans).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Mistakes can happen sure, but these are not the mistakes (also in Croatia) experienced driver can do in the first day of the rally. I guess its all about professionalism.
P.S. I have nothing against Mikkelsen as a driver, I know he can be super fast. But he needs to get his head sorted out or we will always remember him as 3rd VW driver (or even forget him after couple years). I really wish him better results further in the season.
EDIT: At first I though he clipped inside of the corner and went off (as Meeke said in WRC+ broadcast), but after watching replay, its really strange accident. Have to wait for official announcement from Mikkelsen or team what happened there.
Made a bit worse that his pace wasn't even looking good against his rival(s). Dominated by Lappi in Artic, crashed early in Croatia and now crashes here after being 16/18s down on Mads after just a couple of stages on the same tyre strategy.
And while Mads is a good driver, he is not a top top driver and is more of a Steady Eddie - rather than ever being blindingly fast.
Despite not having a full program lined up and having a lack of seat time, Lappi is currently coming out of the first half of this year in a stronger position for 22 compared to Andreas/Suninen etc. Two rallies entered and dominated for Esapekka, while Suninen is having a nightmare & Mikkelsen is far from his own claims of dominating every rally.
The saving grace for the likes of Suninen and Mikkelsen is that they could both maybe bring budget to Msport next year unlike Lappi (Mikkelsen has already mentioned he has money if needed), and also Msport can't get a top driver (Tanak/Ogier/Neuville and probably Evans too). Ostberg will probably not pay what Malcolm wants after their relationship deteriorated either.
Still a long way to go in the year so a lot can change, but pressure is now firmly on Mikkelsen & Suninen to sort themselves out asap. But so far, they've done nothing to suggest they can cope with the pressure.
It's still going to be a shame to see Greensmith in an Msport car over a better driver though
a) There was pressure, so I totally don't get how you can say there wasn't any. Sure there is pressure from the team to win WRC2 which he was hired for, similarly there totally is pressure from "others" to get WRC seat.
b) Experienced drivers don't make mistakes? Neuville just ripped a wheel off and rolled the car in Portugal when he had completely wrong pacenote/speed into corner.
As confirmed by ALLlive Østberg had 2 softs + 4 hard and Mikkelsen 6 hard. Clearly SS1 vs SS3 performance showed that. Østbergs "exactly same tires" are at best misleading (might have been true for SS2).Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
same pressure has Lappi and Ostberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Lappi doesn't have pressure from the team cause he is paying himself and not the team paying him and he has no clear WRC2 title goal, just to get a drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But as they said on allive he is much more relaxed and is building a house instead of thinking rally all the time. Maybe a good idea. Then again it's hard to do much else when you sit at home with COVID.
Nice defensive speeches. You could be good lawyer
Lappi dont spent his money just to drive,he spents them to gain a wrc seat.So there is pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Mikkelsens problem isnt what going to say manager of Tok sport,but what will say Adamo.Wilson,or Latvala.
WRC3 leader Kajto slid off the road near the end of the last stage. There was no damage to the car, but without any spactators at this place he couldn't get back on the road. Kajto is going to re-start the rally tomorrow, but his good result is already wasted.
Also Lindholm retired on SS6, but I don't know what happened.
Yohan Rossel is the new leader in WRC3.
water coolant hose failure.There is a photo at Sardegna topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Lappi spends money "Just to get a (wrc) drive", which is obvious to everyone, even to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
For Mikkelsen that's where the problem is. Tok Sport manager (or more Skoda manager since I believe they pay) would be very fine with him finishing 2nd or 3rd in rallies (they said that after Arctic). While Mikkelsen (and Wilson or Latvala) might be more concerned about speed and less interested in collecting places after everyone retires. Leading to certain conflict of interest, might be even more profound on Safari when just cruising automatically means 2nd place.
Well it's kinda very poor sign then when Mikkelsen is cracking under Toksport manager's pressure. That's a really bad for the big team bosses eyes... And here as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Your made up excuses doesn't help him a single bit, only makes things worse if someone is starting to claim that a guy who aims to be one of the top drivers in the world can't handle the pressure (from a village team boss?)
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“I think pressure is part of this job, so if you can’t deal with it then that’s not our problem,” Rich Millener
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A name that hasn't been mentioned yet, but deserves a lot of credit IMO: Yohan Rossel.
Great drive, 1st in WRC3 and not far from Huttunen and Ostberg.
Doing a lot better than Ingram...
In case you haven't been following, the reason to post the list of "pressure" areas ( one of which is likely those paying him (Skoda)) was a response to the post claiming he was under no pressure at all, which is simply wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Sure he has to handle pressure wherever it comes from and yes he has to stop crashing (too often) if he wants to drive WRC. Also some other points being made are perfectly correct.
But there is quite a bit of a difference between peoples opinions or stating facts and writing things that are simply not true. I don't see why some people feel the need to "spice" the arguments with those, often seemingly on purpose to "prove their point".
Then the next level when proven wrong on lies is to go to personal attacks and direct trolling, some seem to enjoy to that as well.
The most interesting part of this quote from Millener directed at Suninen is what Jouhki (Suninen's manager) said in a long interview some 1,5 years back when talking among others about Suninen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Basically he said how to become "his driver", young drivers have to pass trough detailed psychological tests. Already then it sounded a bit funny considering he also managed Latvala, this brings it to another level.
Brutal end of SS19 for Georg Linnamae:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/media/6...gna-2021/3315/
Thanks for the info. I don't follow the main topic very closely. Too many posts and too quick for me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
plenty of info there,definetely worth to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
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During Monday we worked on the mechanics of the Fabia Rally2 evo and today we had an official test of more than 120 kilometers!
We tested everything Wrench : Diffs , different tire compounds, suspension and bars.
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Looks like the test we talked about in R5 thread that was supposed to be cancelled just got delayed a few days. The distinct lack of pictures seems to support my idea that it's somehow related to new Fabia development.
Maybe somebody put the Rally2/R5 thread also in this section..
Difficult to follow in two different categories(erc and wrc)..
NO, it will be more difficult to follow 2 threads for same cars ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
(btw. main use of Rally2 is National series, not WRC/ERC)
1 for each car type is enough.
This is how I see it;
The thread in the ERC section is the main one for news on car class, since it is a carclass used in national, regional and at world levet.
The WRC2/3 thread here, where both uses rally2 cars, is meant for news and comments on issues for those championships, but not general tech issues for the cars.
Alex Lukyanuk is going to compete in Estonia thanks to a rally philanthropist :)
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-champion-...n-the-baltics/