As fast as Torn on Finnish roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Also SM2 Mitsu has bit bigger restrictor than old FIA-N + they can use E85 fuel.
Also Rally4 winner Pajari (JWRC driver) was driving on his "home roads"
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As fast as Torn on Finnish roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Also SM2 Mitsu has bit bigger restrictor than old FIA-N + they can use E85 fuel.
Also Rally4 winner Pajari (JWRC driver) was driving on his "home roads"
3/6 is taken by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Also that crossing to left video on Twitter is from my phone.
Happy to help MSport Poland.
Any impressions?
Do they pay a lot? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Today there was Msport Rally3 drive day in Finland. Torn was driving with some invited guests, later some of them drove themselves on ice track.
Welll, I hate old Mitsubishis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Sound of Fiesta Rally3 is very bad.
But otherwise I liked it. Smooth. Didn´t feel like Rally4/R2, more like real 4wd.
Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
JWRC drivers Pajari and Joona were driving on ice. (br21 knows it but for others)
Finland has at least 2 serious buyers if car is allowed for SM2 next year.
12 sold so far.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/fiesta-ra...WqSyKwy7XWEA0E
Soundwise it reminded me of the Tommi Makinen Evos GrA, that he won in. Low rpm and a lot of grunt.
Have not seen the max hp/max torque chart of the car, so dont know the numbers.
But if that is how it is set up, it could also mean low maint cost.
Witht such a small restrictor it can't rew much.
Touquet entries have Fourmaux / Jamoul without car mention... maybe debut on tarmac of Rally3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ObY...S6Q2JK5mwsESAk
Video from the rally debaut of the Fiesta Rally3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZo-5CgBSyM
Who will be next Rally3 make?
My guess is Peugeot/Opel, then next year Hyundai and Renault.
Proton Iriz R5 has still not become a success. I am guessing there are several reasons for that.
Could that car be detuned to a Rally3 car?
Is there any technical or other reasons why a plan like that could not be done and be homologated?
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I suppose it would be much cheaper to and much more efficient to just built new car than detune Rally2. It just doesn't make any sense.
Detune literally means to build a new car. Very few things can be used from Rally2 in Rally3.
All those 4 will not come before Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
(mark my words)
Didn't Toyota claim that they are working purely on Rally1 and they will start to work on Rally2 and Rally3 only after? Meanwhile I'm pretty sure that all 3 are already in some phase of developing of Rally3 car.
Ok, but what parts could be carried over?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
- Chassis
- Gearbox
- Engine with 30 mm restrictor.
- Suspension
- Rest of drivetrain
- Other parts
pls, simple yes/no answers.
If no, pls explain why.
Rally3 and Rally2 are made according to different rules and in completely different price tag. If their major parts would be interchangeable the Rally3 would cost over 200 thousand Euro and not half of that. I don't have time to study both regulations in deep but for sure nothing major is interchangeable. The engine is different, the gearbox is made for lower power/torque, the drivetrain as well, the driveshafts have different length. Suspension has different dimensions simply because Rally3 does not have wide track etc etc.
Sulland:
Please tell which Rally3 has 1.6T engine ?
Remember that R2/Rally4 with 4WD = Rally3
So your logic says that R5/Rally2 can be changed to Rally4 also if you take 4WD system off
None so far, but the rules allows for it.
Toyota will use 1600, if rumors are correct.
And the "must be" Rally4 --> Rally3 principle was left when FIA allowed 1620 ccm in Rally3, was it not?'
But I am guessing that Renault and Peugeot will use their Rally4 engines in their Rally3 cars.
But Pug could in principle take their 208 T16 R5 engine and modify it to a 30 mm restrictor, or am I mistaken?
If it is smart or not is another discussion, I was just thinking possibilities from a tech/rules point of view.
Will the Fiesta Rally 3 be homologated as right hand steer for the UK? (in addition to left hand steer)
I think any of the 1.6 engines PSA has/had (DS3 R3, DS3 R5/208 T16, C3 R5) could be used, but any of these would require a heavy redesign due to different restrictor/electronics/etc, so might as well start from scratch on it, and maybe use some parts from the existing designs. Also the older ones were homologated 7-8 years ago, so homologation time for the engine could be an issue as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
No, EP6 engine family is out of question for Rally3.
If I am not mistaken you can not use an engine which is not used in the particular vehicle family in stock production. There is no EP6-powered 208 since the coming of the current generation.
Any chance to see a Fabia Rally3? They have their fancy new big premises to make use of and new Fabia has a 1.5 TSI engine..
I hope so...
First deliver to Topp-Cars Rally Team (Hungary)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExRJHx-X...jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExRJ-5qX...pg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExRJ-5oX...pg&name=medium
Maciej Woda from M-Sport Poland says that 20 cars will be delivered to customers before this summer:
https://www.fiaerc.com/89075/
I think that's very unlikely. British drivers who use a Rally 3 car will be those that want to progress in international events where all of the cars are left-hand drive so they'll want a left-hand drive Rally 3 car to gain experience. Rally 3 cars won't be competitive in the class they have to run in on UK national events so I doubt you'll see any of them there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humber
GR Yaris AP4 is running - cant be far of the Rally3.
https://twitter.com/TGR_AUS/status/1...511289859?s=20
AP4 car has more freedom within the parts to be used. Spec-wise it’s closer to Rally2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yes, I mean the Rally3 version cant be long in coming as its a rally-ready base car and been pretty easy to produce the AP4.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Toyota should be able to build a Rally3 version quickly whenever they like as its much a simpler car than the AP4.
rumors for fiesta rally3 to show his tarmac pace at rally San Remo
It is not rumour, it was confirmed by Maciej Woda. With Tom Kristensson.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Also confirmed that Ken Torn will do all 8 ERC rounds with that car this year.
Rally3 cars may be simpler, but there's a lot of decisions to make into the homologation in order to make sure they've made the right choices. Developing a car that is expected to sell in high numbers is more difficult than building a single car at your workshop. Building the car doesn't take Toyota long, but testing and homologating will take time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Anyway, it's good to hear that the many things on the Yaris GR are made "rallying in mind".