Yes, I already was corrected on this :) but I was thinking about event outside his home country.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I can see Dirtfish writing numerous articles on this event, not from a Norwegian local rally.
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Yes, I already was corrected on this :) but I was thinking about event outside his home country.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I can see Dirtfish writing numerous articles on this event, not from a Norwegian local rally.
It’s not very likely though is it? Even if Pryce and Cronin had entered the Cambrian I doubt they’d be able to touch Solberg - not saying a clean sweep of stage wins, but it would probably be a similar result to Hayden Paddon on Rali CeredigionQuote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
My question is:
Why did Oliver choose to drive POLO when they have i20 Rally2 with latest upgrades in their garage also ?
Are they so mad to Hyundai ?
Latest i20 should be faster than their POLO which haven't been used in year (or did they do latest "tuning" for POLO)
Because Hyundai i20 Rally2 never wins any rallies? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Think it is really over between Solberg and Hyundai and probably they even said him he will not be their Rally2 lead driver (clearly think about Paddon for this considering his season and Suninen being quite average); else the communication would have been less sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
And at the moment, the Hyundai, even if latest car, is not the best car on the market (and maybe more expensive as newer). And Polo is clearly not a bad choice if driven by the good team. See for example in France where Giordano and his Polo is beating Ciamin and a new Hyundai.
Also, it’s not a big event so maybe Hyundai didn’t want to lend them a car and Petter’s team owns one Polo so it’s clearly simpler.
Well, difficult to know about Solberg if it’s the good decision by Hyundai. Clearly he was an Adamo and PR choice. Maybe an early choice but not a completly insane choice as the guy has some potential and for this time, we cannot criticize Hyundai for having launched a young guy in the mix.
With the new management + a brand where it’s really difficult to know how much time they will get involved (and since quite a while), we can understand than the team management wants to try something else (than the plan of the former manager) as Solberg has not done enough to prove he can become fastly an efficient driver.
But as I said before, it’s only valuable if Tanak stays; if Tanak is leaving, even with a shared-car strategy in the 3rd and even the 2nd car, I’m highly doubtful they can fight with Toyota line-up for the manufacturer title (as Toyota is now using a shared-car strategy itself even if not totally by its own choice so it’s different than 2019) and in that case, their best chance would have been in Solberg’s improvements.
Anyway, saying that Solberg has made them lost the championship is also wrong, they clearly had a lot of issues with the car from the beginning and even with Breen still being there, the result in the championship would have no different this year considering the gap; next year is another stuff as Hyundai has now improved the car.
which one do Solbergs own?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
https://www.ewrc-results.com/cars-ow...-i20-n-rally2/
I was under the impression that i20 N Rally was only "borrowed" for the Solbergs to get more familiar with it, but I have no factual knowledge. Polo meanwhile is their own for sure.
From Oliver's perspective, he just needs to keep active and to have fun and the stages on that rally are a perfect way to do that, and maybe Polo is the perfect car for that purpose, to have fun? Or maybe they just really don't want to show up with Hyundai anymore.
As far as i know, if he drove that rally2, he used one of redgrey cars
https://redgreyteam.com/
The Solberg family do not own any Hyundai i20 N Rally2s.
Didn`t Dennis Rådström buy the Polo from the Sohlbergs?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
To add a bit more fuel to next year: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-spo...berg-for-2023/
Not that it hasn’t been speculated here before in this forum but apparently they did talk after NZ.
They should still have the #1 chassis Polo R5.
Why is it no help? Isn't it good to learn the events with a lower budget and lower pressure, and to learn the culture of winning (class)?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Why are you so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There are different ways of learning. Neather you nor me knows what´s best for Oliver. Some of us though believe he can go forward in RC1 cars, if possible from many other points of views we don´t know a thing about. (Economics, sponsors, teambosses etz, etz...)
Not saying he hasn't done mistakes himself, but I would say it is also the i20.
Either this new or previous one.. Both very difficult to understand or feel comfortable.
Look at Loubet, he was blamed almost same way as Solberg now. Many mistakes and crashes with quite ? speed.
Jumped to Ford and like a different driver.
(can also include Loeb to this list)
So let's wait and see.
This is a discussion forum, I want to discuss this topic and have good arguments other than "because I say so".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Loubet had the customer car with old parts. Solberg had the same car as Tänak and Neuville. But I agree that the situation in the team has not been good for a young driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
We know your opinion and arguments. You already written them down pages ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But we still haven't heard yours or WRCStan's. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
EDIT: Consider me wanting the best for Oliver's career. I don't want him to have a third successive broken year doing a partial season with Puma Rally1. Instead a victorious season in WRC2 with a good car would showcase his talent better. And I would also include non-points events to get more experience from the rallies (WRC2 season can only have seven events).
I dont think Oliver thinks he needs to prove himself any more at Rally2/WRC2 level and he is happy to continue to learn in a Rally1. If some deal can be done with M-Sport then this will be the preferred option.
However if not, driving the new Skoda Fabia RS Rally2 would be the next best choice.
I doubt he has enough backing to afford a meaningful programme in a Rally1 car.
I can't discuss anything on budget or support, only an ideal world. If budgets say no Rally1 then that kills any other point and we're left making PR-like excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I don't subscribe to this idea of learn the events, what does that mean if it's a different car? Assuming the intention is to get back in to a Rally1 with more power, hybrid and pressure and learn the events again. Same with culture of winning, the taste of WRC2 champagne when beating privateers won't help him learn how to approach or manage a rally when up against the manufacturer juggernauts.
This is not the best way for learning. Especially on the point of career where Oliver is now...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Learn what?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
to dont crash at first stage and first corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Really you ask ''what to learn''?
He gives you the impression of a ''learned driver''?
So you think he doesn't need to learn anything...interesting. Why he's then kicked out of HMSG? Because the team is bad or because he is so rookie that it's costing them financially and also if you look at the manufacturers standings, they have almost no help from Oliver. And I do not blame Oliver for it, he was put in a very wrong place in a very wrong time of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Some of you have some silly ideas that young guys should right away step into the top category and have the most expensive learning kms of all of rallysport.
By that logic I have serious doubts why the Rally2 category even exists....
He belongs to the Rally2 category and unless he beats those opponents fair and square he doesn't have any place to Rally1. And he needs to manage the whole rally and not just have flashes of brilliance and then bin it.
I hope him well and I really like this guy but he should not take too big steps because it could be very harmful to his career as life has shown so far.
I just can't believe some of the forumers here, thinking that you have to give the best car for any youngster for learning :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Guys are living in somekind of dreamland :D
Why not, probably a lot harder competition on a Norwegian event than the Cambrian, remember how Greensmith got a beating in Numedalsrally.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/7...alsrally-2022/
It's a shame a lot of the young guys don't get to do much events at home, It's important to a build a home fan base also in my opinion.
We still talk about the fights between Østberg and Mikkelsen in 2008.
No not all, didn't come close to saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I ask what does learn the events mean. Is it how to drive on various surfaces? He's been driving a decade+, owns his own land and a stocked garage, been flying round the world motorsporting since he was in his Daddy's ballbag and doesn't appear to do much else. He's not exactly the freshest of newcomers, so assuming his goal is to get to the top of the sport, it's the Rally1 he needs to learn from here, and I assume he should be learning from the mistakes he is making - this is the learning environment you'd take away. Wasn't the Finland smash related to hybrid? How do you learn not to do that in Rally2?
All this about HMSG puts a team principal cap back on. No, I wouldn't employ him either in my team. This also wasn't what I said. And all this about who Rally2 is for is another conversation too.
Not the main point but the Finland smash was a huge driving mistake, simple as: upshifting into a corner everyone took more slow (and he crashed in Finland in the i20 Rally2 as well, so there's a common denominator and it's not hybrid)Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
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Originally Posted by dimviii
You get the same news I do, so I dare you to ring Malcolm and ask these same questions then.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Malcolm will not deny some 3-4 millions for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Malcolm would be happy to receive some donations, like Dimvii said around 3-4 millions per season or so. He's businessman after all. He has no problems of giving cars to the likes of Jocius or Serderidis.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I'm not surprised about Greensmith not winning a national rally :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
The events are not just gravel, tarmac and snow. There are certain characteristics and styles of driving and you get that by experience. For example Oliver's first technical/rough gravel rally was Sardinia 2020 exactly two years ago (well Mexico too, but it ended on the first stage). And in 2021 he only did Portugal and Greece, latter with only half of the kilometres. Meanwhile, for example Kalle did a bunch of this sort of rallies in the Italian series in 2017, even before entering WRC2.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Also what cali said is true, he needs to learn how to perform throughout a rally with no mistakes. And like I've said, learn how to keep a lead, how to win an event. It's a psychological thing.
You can learn all this with Rally1 machinery as well but it's a very expensive way to do it. Also it's more difficult to win the overall in a WRC event than to win the WRC2 class, but even the latter is not that easy.
Yes. Finland was a major setback. But not enogh for you negatives to place him in a WRC2 car and compete with amateurs. He is not an amateur at this point. He is ready for continuing in RC1 cars if circumstances allows him to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
If it is a possibility with a deal with Malcolm & Co, it would imo make sense with a three stage deal.
Year 1: WRC2 campaign, including development work on the Rally2, and as much testing as allowed with the Puma.
Year 2: 3rd car Rally1.
Year 3: 2nd car Rally1 fighting for podiums, and fighting for best scorer in the team.
Amateurs? he should beat those AMATEURS then first when he wants to do good in upper class. he didnt do it on Rally Portugal this year, far from itQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
i dont get it Per why you are so against him going a step back. Tänak is a perfect example how it worked and his debut season in big class was much better than Olivers this season and its clear to see he isnt ready yet.
Fun fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Solberg has entered 13 WRC2/3 rallies.
He won once (Estonia 2020, though Østberg wasn't loosing points to him so had no big motivation to fight him) and was on podium once more (Monza 2020, second).
Since that rally in Estonia 2020 he has led the Rally2 category on a rally once (Greece 2021 for two stages).
Doesn't look like he is a match for the amateurs...
Nice idea but testing is limited to one day per rally per driver taking part in said rally. Unless you test only on the team test area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland