I would add to Tommeke that on his photos this is a 5th gear corner! It's this place (Ingram had 140 km/h in the corner): https://youtu.be/v3Jrmg0iAZE?t=282
https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...68&oe=5DDFA58F
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I would add to Tommeke that on his photos this is a 5th gear corner! It's this place (Ingram had 140 km/h in the corner): https://youtu.be/v3Jrmg0iAZE?t=282
https://scontent.fprg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...68&oe=5DDFA58F
Gryazin trolling himself
https://twitter.com/PorkyInside/stat...40455998234625
this event must be a WRC round!
Gryazin:
Whatever the outcome of the Barum Czech Rally Zlín for us (OK, we are upset!), we’ll never forget this event first of all by the remarkable special stage Semetín – one of the most challenging and exciting in the ERC.
https://youtu.be/l7FCcXbif8s
Unfortunate and very scary accident of Hýbner from the historic event. The crew is fortunately ok, only the car is gone.
https://youtu.be/lThlmkyg5Cg?t=48
Jakeš braking the wheel on Pindula: https://youtu.be/lThlmkyg5Cg?t=82
It would be a dream to see the WRC drivers and cars in this region, but I think it will only remain a dream. The Barum Rally is probably the best organized event in ERC (and better organized than many WRC events). But being in central Europe the crowds would be huge, and I don't know if the region could take it. There are few access roads so getting from and to the stages is difficult, not even talking about traffic jams that could make things difficult for the crews competing in the event. Also there are not that many hotels (the whole region is full already with ERC event).Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
pitty,it would be a dream to watch Ogier/Tanak/Neuville etc at these amazing roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
“All ERC3 drivers had red flag. Franceschi stopped on stage and then continued, and after rally organizers changed only his time giving 1 extra minute to national time. It dropped him to 4th positon but still before Torn, what resulted that Llarena jump to 1st place. In this way they destroyed Torn Championship and rally win to Franceschi. After rally the evidences that Llarena had puncture on last stage come out, but stewards did not change his time and penalized only Franceschi and Torn in result. There is lot of question marks:
1. Why they looked only on Franceschi stage time and changed it
2. Why they add him 1 minute? If they add more then Torn would have won the title
3. Why they did not penalized Llarena for driving on puncture? There is gps evidence that Erik Cais was faster 12 sec on the spl,it than Llarena who had puncture and would have lost more for sure. Be aware that before the stage Cais had only 5.6 sec drop to Llarena and he will win the rally, what resulted again in Torn winning champion title.
FIA ERC should be equal to all competitors what means that or they are giving the same time to everybody or panalized each single driver if had a problem on canceled stage.
This is how Champion title is stolen due to not fair play game.”
As far as I understood from Franceschis comment his time was changed based on a protest from certain competitor (Peugeot, Llarena?) - that's answer to your first question why only one time was changed.
Franceschi clearly said they were stopped three times for an overall time roughly equal to one minute. This is answer to your question number 2.
Hard to answer the third question without knowing more. Either nobody protested against Llarena's time (hard to believe) or the GSP data didn't show anything so exceptional to change his time by some small margin and to move Cais to the first place. Take into account that if Llarena was 12 seconds slower than Cais on let's say 15 km it's less than 0,5 s/km which means he was still faster than majority of R2 drivers hence there is hardly any reason to make an exceptional change of his time compared to the others. That is something completely different than a competitor standing for one minute here and there and obviously having big problems to even move.
If the car is stopped it's very clear from the GPS. Similar thing happened with Kostka and Mareš after Gryazin's crash. Mareš slowed down but probably didn't stop completely - he got no time back. Kostka clearly stopped at Gryazin (as shown on the onboard in one of the Mediasport videos) and his time was later adjusted.
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Not mine the words ;)
If you want a great new tarmac rally in WRC, the nearest thing could be if Rally GB moves to Northern Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Barum is too small as stated and exciting enough with just R5 cars.
Without the confirmation that Llarena got his puncture before the red flag it seems hard to say Torn was robbed; still, it’s quite a shame to see an exciting ERC3 Junior championship being decided behind the curtain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
To add more confusion to this matter, Llarena said to AS that Franceschi was stoping to let Torn pass him on the stage but the red flag changed their tactic (which seems a bit strange as it’d be easier to halt just once, rather than several times…). https://as.com/motor/2019/08/19/mas_...93_869093.html
Btw, Llarena is entered by the spanish ASN (RFEA) under the Rally Team Spain badge; having the RFEA pressuring the organizers to change a direct (privately entered) competitor notional time, while avoiding his own time to be changed due to the flat tyre issue, was probably vital for Llarena’s late success.
Torn is also entered by the Estonian ASN, so I not see any point on this comment of an ASN pressuring the organizersQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Was Estonian ASN president there? Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the guy in the middle the RFEA president?Quote:
Originally Posted by m-ast
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECR1KQsXsAAD_cz.jpg:large
You are correct in the second question and I don't know the first one, but obviously I don't think the Spanish president has the power to pressure a foreign organiser with he has no relation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Just catching up with this thread. Loubet - well, about the same distance off road, but Arai's car was in a much steeper angle. If you look at the Loubet rescue video, he drives back up mostly. Arai on the other hand, about 45 degree angle, that's very hard to pull a car back up. And what Mirek says, this is a high speed place with most of the crews just coming. Loubet's place with a warning was relatively safe to rescue.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
You can judge fellow spectators for not trying from home, but please don't do it publicly.
Tänak and Neuville have been already there in IRC era. However didn't drive WRC but S2000, which is a big difference. ;) As far as I remember organizers were trying to candidate this rally to be WRC event but they left it later. Maybe Czech guys can confirm my memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
On that place Ilka Minor already said they wouldn't even restart on sunday. Hiroki was blaming the tyres for the crash... It's not like they were asking someone to push them back on the road. Also with that angle the car was in, and all the bushes around it, you would need a rope to pull the car out of the deep ditch.
Yes. According to this article Barum Rally was a candidate for the WRC in 2005:Quote:
Originally Posted by sb7
http://skoda.tj/en/motorsport/rally/...ech-rally-zlin
Pluto can say more but at some point there were WRC ambitions indeed. I think that it would be realistically possible only if Škoda entered WRC but as Tommeke said the infrastructure would be an issue for sure. I honestly can't imagine let's say 2x more spectators than now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sb7
Things like this has happened before. In WRC too, with Ogier on a punkture before red flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
It is all about what you can or have proof of.
1. Franceschi is or have been overtaken by the car that started behind him, before red flag. With proof.
2. The proof is has been overtaken, nut he could be going one behind him. That make the minute.
3. Now proof of Llaren have a punkture before red flag.
When he saw the red flag, he new the chapionship was over, he maybe lost his conesentration and then got the punkture. WHAT DO WE NOW.
My humble opinoin.
You can not call that stolen, you do not now enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mobk...youtu.be&t=390
Mirek, what is Kostka saying?
Furuseth 3 time. First year the car let him down on the last stage the first day. I think he would have been in the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Second year the car let him down on the first stage the first day, and one the first stage the second day.
So he has newer don the sunday stages, and this year some saturday stages was different from two years ago.
So to say he has big exsperience from this rally is an overstatement.
But I do agree, Francechi was very impressiv, Llarena and Cais too.
He was in a very good mood. He said he was happy especially about Sunday. He said he had to learn the car a bit during Friday and Saturday and that the car is still very new and that he was confident it would be definitely faster next year when more experience with suspension setup is gained. Nevertheless he praised the team of his brother-in-law that everything worked perfect. The reporter asked him (jokingly) if he could get on the podium if there was another leg. He said something like "hard to say, we could also end in the forest" :) At the end he was asked if he would bring the current Fiesta WRC to Rally Vsetín as he promised after Kopná and he said he would if the car is free (due to date collision with Catalunya).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Apparently not enough ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Gryazin pulls out from Rally Turkey. They won't fix the crashed car from Barum:
https://gryazin.com/gryazin_will_miss_wrc_turkey
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What´s wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I think this forum is well suited for all comments around rallying. Also subjects like the one on Arai´s off. So in the future I´ll be glad seeing people go publicly also with comments like these, from home.
I started it... ;)
I also think that it's perfectly ok to discuss the matter here on the forum. It could look easy to recover the car but honestly I am not so suicidal to do that myself in that place and I don't think that slowing the others down because of the car which doesn't block the road is a good idea either.
Just for info. This photo is taken in village Vlčková roughly 4 km before the place where Vlček crashed and 5,5 km before the stage finish (i.e. around 20 km from the start). If I am not mistaken six cars started to the stage between Vlček and Llarena. It's possible that by that time the stage was already red flagged for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Manuel Avino (RFEA President) is far from being a John Doe; he’s a titular member of the WMSC, FIA’s most important motorsport ruling body.Quote:
Originally Posted by m-ast
Let’s be clear: a last minute complaint is always a stressful issue for an organizer to judge, especially when it evolves a title result. I’m not saying the organizer decision was wrong or unfair but it’s more than obvious that it was quite useful for Llarena to have RFEA top officials directly supporting him in this situation.
Anyway, both Llarena and Torn deserve to be praised for their brave efforts through the whole season and hopefully they’ll have a bright future in the sport. Fingers crossed for them.
Another nice videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2N4-bME3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwDbHiEic2s
best photo so far belongs to Jan
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECbBk2vW...jpg&name=large
https://youtu.be/osmBSyA6EA0 Semetin : real Gryazin vs RBR simulator
Woooooow that's amaaazing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestask
These guys shoud be crowdfunded to make more tarmac rally's, would love to try Ypres Rally!
You can support them if you like here: http://rbr.onlineracing.cz/?act=al&p=donations
Václav Šourek is author of this stage (and several others, some real some fictional but also great).
Here is Tarabus from the same place also nicely on two wheels (different run): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBOB...=youtu.be&t=57Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Mattias Adielsson says that sometimes it is good to be slow the whole weekend ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
https://www.fiaerc.com/why-being-bad...ior-adielsson/
He wasn't that slow at the beginning (at least he didn't look that slow) and with his budget it's quite understandable approach. AFAIK he had two or three punctures which also threw him way back to a position where fighting for anything was useless.
It all makes sense now... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z