That championship is joke. Worthless.. I hope it will be canceled after few rallies.
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That championship is joke. Worthless.. I hope it will be canceled after few rallies.
Kalle is still in a safe 2nd place in WRC2pro just 12mins behind, but still second. In a "main support" category for a WRC class :spin:Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
I mean it would be good if it would be really made like a real proper championship. Not that the rules are strange and apparenty everyone could enter it and then Manus take it like pro entry. And lack of entries too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
I said it before. Two entry works team (that mean, M-Sport, Citroen, Hyundai, Skoda and even VW could join). And two entries is meaned by that they must enter each event with both drivers. And then like in top class they could score points for team championship. Rallies could be all 14 rounds. That way it could different from normal WRC2. Now with privateers mixed you don't know what is what and where is where. And you practically don't know that is there because only Kalle will probably be on live.
Just stupid
I had no issues with WRC Trophy being like that, as that class was always meant to be for drivers with more money than talent, that just wanted to drive WRC events with the fastest car they could get their hands on. It would always be like that.
But that WRC2-"Pro" gives you a guaranteed 18 points just for finishing, is idiotic.
In a dream case we would have Skoda, Toyota, Hyundai, Msport, Proton and Citroen all with a 2 R5s going for a WRC2pro title with young drivers. Then it would actually make sense. But that's not going to happen in WRC.
If they want to split R5 make it like ERC u28 is in ERC. Everyone fights for the same title under the same rules, but then there is change for youngsters (privateers in WRC case) to fight a trophy for their own.
We have a good number of R5 drivers in the (most of the) events but not that many that we need to split them into Pro's and privateer's.
Is the WRC2pro win really a "accomplishment" for Kalle or Gus in Monte when there is just 2 drivers? well no.
Is the WRC2 win for someone (for example Huttunen, who is not a newbie) in Finland really a win when if there is 6 R5 drivers faster than him in the "pro" category, I would bet, No.
Yes, they maybe a factory drivers or most likely just entried by one but still driving in the equal machines.
Gus also said at the end of SS2 that he's going to up his pace tomorrow...can only ask why he would do it. Just a safe finish and points are in the bag, regardless of what the WRC2 guys do.
Also, we can ask why Kalle took it so fast on the first stage...or did he make a mistake because he was driving 'safe'?
But yeah, ridiculous this is now...
It seems the WRC2 Pro crews get coverage on AllLive, that's good at least.
It must be a long time since the first SKODA was only in 8th position in RC2 on a WRC round.
A really long time...
that's only for MonteQuote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
SKODA finished 1st, 2nd and 3rd last tear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I’ve been saying it since day 1: there was no real need for a split in WRC2. The FIA could easily run a Private Cup inside the WRC2 calendar, with only 5 or 6 European rallys. Besides they should also get back to mandatory events, just like in JWRC, in order to have the main competitors runing the same events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
As if WRC2 and WRC2Pro weren't complicated enough...now the WRCPlus review shows the results in a combined list, which has no relation to the points that would be awarded for such results
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxyF3a9XcAAuN5m.jpg
I don't even understand who is in WRC2 Pro, normal WRC2 and completely outside of WRC2. Judging from https://rally-base.com/2019/rallye-m...02&ssGroupId=1 Bonato should be in WRC2 Pro?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Bonato was originally entered for WRC2Pro but changed at the last minute to WRC2Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
They are newbies in this whole thing. Just give them time I'm sure they will ruin even more.
Maybe they were embarassed by the two car leaderboard separated by twelve minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
WRC2/Pro footage on the daily highlights programme was still apalling :(
If the rally ended in the current result, de Mevius would be the fastest WRC2 car, but slower than Greensmith, the fastest WRC2Pro car. Would de Mevius get 25 or 18 points? The way I have understood the rules, Rovanperä would get 18 WRC2Pro points and de Mevius 25 WRC2 points, but I have just started to question myself with everyone listing the results together and Greensmith keeping with high speed throughout the rally...
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
You understand correctly. No need to question yourself ;)
I believe Bonato is still leading WRC2, despite the puncture, and both winners get max points, as WRC2 and WRC2 Pro are separate series. The combined WRC2 classification is not official and was probably made up to avoid humiliations, like RS suggested. It only makes sense to gather all R5 crews under the RC2 classification, which must also include N4 cars (although there’s none in MC).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Btw, the confussion is so big that even on Greensmith FB page there’s a WRC2 top 10 chart including non WRC2 R5 drivers, like Sarrazin, Katsuta and Burri…
https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...fd&oe=5CBEC43D
expected more from Katsuta
I didnt expect more to be honest.
too many rallies,no budget problems,no progress.
I did too, but he is the 2nd Pirelli-driver, only Sarrazin ahead and it is his first ever Monte Carlo. Actually I think it is his first ever rally in such conditions. He hasn't done any kind of snowy/icy tarmac rallies before. So while it looks a tad disappointing at first sight, it is better than you get the impression of.
Yeah, looked at the stage results and not overall results. Facepalm. But my point translated through anyway. I just don't see why Greensmith has risked so much trying to be the fastest R5 car when he's only against Rovanperä...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
In one of the end of stage interviews, they asked Greensmith why he was pushing when he had the huge lead on Rovanpera in WRC2-Pro. He said something like "I can't just rely on that, I need to drive faster than him to be the real winner".Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Judging by what he said in other interview comments, he obviously sees himself as competing with the WRC2-Regular entrants as well.
So, I guess he wants a "moral" victory as well as a technical victory.
Good lad, knowing that he'll be judged on pace, not the farce this championship is becoming. Seeing as the top 3 RC2 drivers are all in different 'classes', he must know we're interested in RC2 more than WRC2 Pro.
...and this morning he has changed his tune. Talking about taking no risks, getting the car home, not doing anything silly to lose the big lead, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
I guess somebody had a word with him last night.
This rally is the first time I've seen him drive or talk, before he was just a name on the timings. I think I like this Greensmith well enough.
Sht#t yeah, that's the right attitude, maybe he has potential after all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
@richmillener (M-Sport)
Incredible result and fully deserved. Great to show the Fiesta R5 has still got it.
First ever WRC2 Pro victory, ever, one that will forever last in the history books... Same again in Sweden lads...
@GreensmithGus @EAERallying @MSportLtd @OfficialWRC @FordPerformance
Superb performance indeed, but Sweden's competition will take it up another level for Gus - I didn't expect him to beat Sarrazin and Bonato for pace though, so fair play, he couldn't do more than that.
Yep, Greensmith did a great job here but the competition in Sweden will be much tougher.
Well, I suppose Greensmith might now be called the top English (rather than British) driver, since Meeke and Evans are not English.
Not sure if that really means anything, but...
No that's a fair point, we English have national pride too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
It would be great if GG can make it to the full WRC. We might get a higher profile for rally in the UK.
No you won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Guillaume de Mevius' crash that ended his rally on SS14:
https://www.facebook.com/paulfraikin...type=2&theater
It wasn't Katsuta's first rally on snow. He drives Rally Sweden, Arctic Lapland Rally and many events in Finland every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Have a look:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/339685/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/394250/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/394481/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/273465/
That's a completely different thing though
"Snowy/icy tarmac rallies".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
He has done snow rallies with proper snow tyres, he has done tarmac rallies. He have never done a rally where you use the Monte-style studded tyres, or any rally where you can go from dry tarmac to snow in 1km on the same stage.
That amateur guy 3 minutes infront of him (Fourmaux) neither. He even did only his second 4WD rally ever (before he did only two national seasons with R2).Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Katsuta's performance was poor for a guy who is supposed to drive a WRC car in a works team. That's simply a fact.
I had never heard of him before, but he was super impressive. Maybe we're lucky his first name is Adrien and not Sebastien ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But I do agree that Katsuta was not really impressive, but neither were Veiby, well until today and he even has previous experience from Monte.
The outcome could be similar... He's a "product" from the FFSA, will do a complete WRC2 program. The way he won the French junior championship last year was more than impressive. This was his second rally with the Fiesta R5, first 4WD car he ever drove in competition. Also Monte was his first rally with his new codriver (Renaud Jamoul). There's been a lot of talking about his sudden codriver switch, especially given that it's the French federation supporting a team with a Belgian codriver...