So, Nandan and Matton were against it.Makinen was positive.What about Wilson?
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So, Nandan and Matton were against it.Makinen was positive.What about Wilson?
Can't say I'm surprised at all about the decision. But equally if it was just a short meeting there's no way that could be sorted out within that time. What VW have in their favour is the influence of WRC/FIA behind wanting to make it happen.
But if you're a guy like Nandan - sitting there knowing that Polo is as good if not better than your car - what is the incentive for him to agree to it? You can't even technically boast and say you've beaten a factory VW because in theory it isn't anymore.
I'm sure we'd all like to see the Polo and Mikkelsen in the WRC, but it has to be fair.
I'd like to see the Polo in the WRC and Andreas deserves a drive like that. I know he's gone now, but remember Capito's moaning about Meeke and Citroen doing selected events and how it was so unfair, bad for the WRC and so on? Well this would be worse than that, considering Citreon had agreed to commit to the wrc for the long term and were using a car that had already been homologated for years (plus homologated when Citroen were in the WRC). There will have to be some very big compromises for this VW entry to be allowed but from my pov, the more 2017 wrc cars the better....
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very well said. Tottaly different cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
:D :D :D http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38684048
Talk about flogging a dead horse, I really can't understand why she doesn't put the money into entering UK events instead
Because she would probably have her ass handed to her on National Rallies too and couldnt come up with some sort of excuse as to why.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
In all seriousness all I know of her is that she is constantly trying to get money to compete. Has she even done a rally recently?
Maybe Mikkelsens management will swap focus for a 16 Polo to keep the focus and form going for the 18 season.
Too early to go for RallyCross!
I'm following her in FB.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
She certainly has an interest for the sport, that's for sure and if she can manage to get funding to drive without actually winning anything, I'm not going to complain.
Continously selling her trophies and crowd funding her drives is a bit pathetic though in my eyes. Focus on finding good funding and drive in lower classes instead. The sport is equally fun if it is national or international events and unless she is utterly delusional, it should be clear to her that she won't win anything...
She has it in her blood. All power to her passion. Good luck to her efforts.
Well, if I understand correctly, if VW didn't withdraw from WRC, Ogier and Mikkelsen would have been here right now.
So, what's unfair?
It looks like Nandan and Matton are trying to cash out on the back of others misfortune.
Also, Makinen has the same reasons to fear VW return, but he doesn't.
It's all about attitude. Are you in WRC to win, no matter the competition, or you are there to scavenge as much as you can, the same way MW is doing for years.
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Originally Posted by MrJan
It's difficult enough for talented young motorsport drivers in the UK to get sponsorship - and we have people like her who have done virtually nothing trying to raise ££££.
What good has Matton done for citroen? Not much.. I know its the first rally, I know its Monte Carlo, but he hasn't been very successful in this job. Jost Capito is on the market, he did an amazing job with VW. If Citroen doesn't succeed this season I can't see why they shouldn't have a little chat with Capito and see if he is interested.. If so, I'm not surprised if we see Mikkelsen and/or Ogier with citroen in 2018.
Maybe I'm dreaming, but that would have been something!
I think you're dreaming. Matton has been at Citroen for years and one small "slip up" of hiring Lefebvre (which he probably was pushed into from above since they most likely wanted French blood in the team) while VW still was on the cards for 2017 is not going to compromise his position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
We all would have hired Breen after Finland last year and we all would have hired Meeke at the end of 2015... and Breen was still the right choice. I really hope Meeke makes a serious effort to turn around his inability to stay on the road when things really matter soon. He has the speed, that we all know.
Im not talking about "one small slip up". Im talking about the fact that Citroen haven't won much these last couple of years. If 2017 becomes yet another year with little to celebrate, I can't see how they can continue on without any changes in the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Just noticed that VW’s private entry was already discussed. Apparently, some team managers are against it, and so are most of you. Honestly, these shouldn’t be a matter for partisanship and FIA must take WRC greater interest into consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
People say it doesn’t comply WRC rules, but there are already some strange rules (or exceptions?) around: private drivers, like Ostberg, Prokop or Bertelli are allowed to run ’17 Fiestas as long as they figure as false MSport drivers (the same can happen in any other team); last year Citroen run a short programme through their private partner, PH Sport, and during 2011 Mini official team was allowed to enter only 6 events. Many other examples can be mentioned.
Despite being conform to homologation tech regs, the new Polo doesn’t cope with over demanding WRC administrative system. That’s enough for VW opponents to consider it’s not fair to allow Mikkelsen, or any other driver, to use the car on a short WRC programme, even under a private entry…meanwhile, easy going WRX will get a new team, backed up by VW Motorsport, racing a ’17 WRC Polo derivate.
Yep, Motorsport it’s a big happy family but WRC is always in competition with WRX, WTCC, WEC or even F1 about getting manus resources; after all, its manus money that keep the wheels turning. Besides, even if WRC is now living a fantastic era, with 3 top brands (plus Ford, timidly supporting MSport) involved, the past already showed that any of them can suddenly pull out.
It’s true that nobody forced VW to go away, but if there’s a real interest in VW Motorsport staff (and probably even on some VW board members, not totally happy with November’s move) to rally the new Polo, FIA WRC officials should take it, no matter what other teams think. More, if WRC was managed in a pro active way, they should take the opportunity to do some lobbying on VW’s Group for a full WRC return in ’18, with any of their brands.
Supporting Ogier instead of Loeb was enough for Quesnel to be shown the door.And he had won 4x WDC, 3x WCC plus Le Mans with Peugeot.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Citroen dominated WTCC when their focus was away from WRC. Matton was responsible for this as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I'm not against VW participating, quite the contrary but if I was a team manager, I would not see a point to let them in unless they commit the same way as the rest of the teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
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WTCC..? Im talking about WRC. And in WRC Citroen haven't been successful for a long time. Really hoping this will be their year, but if not, I hope there will be some changes. Citroen should have at least one car in the top 3-4 in every rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
I know but it's relevant for the point you are making about Matton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
I think saying he should be replaced already if things don't improve after only 1 rally is a bit strange when he won everything with Citroen in their main motorsports programme for the last few years.
"100 Women names 100 influential and inspirational women around the world every year."....and Louise Cook!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Seriously, she has some kind of psychological issue - the PR misrepresentation of her as 'the only woman to win a major rallying trophy' (Michelle Mouton she aint, and never will be); the continuing to 'Sunday drive' at the back of the fields she does turn up for and the apparent failure to understand that she is just not up to the standard for WRC course competing. The UK does not need a rallying 'Eddie the Eagle'
I think her old ST Trophy Fiesta is out of homologation.What car is she trying to race?
Why Citroen should fire a man who has won so much with them, after one rally? At least let's see how the season go!
I think this forum lately is too much result oriented.
If a driver has a good stage, he becomes the new Loeb, if another (or the same!!) makes a mistake it's a waste of space.
Please guys let's try to analyze facts in a more deep way (is "deep" the right word?), let's try to know and understand a little bit the context before coming to a conclusion.
Me too I should do it more, I bashed against wrc.com website for their new interface but it was actually ok.
We are not obliged to give conclusion every time. I'm sure we will all benefit from it.
OK, I understand and agree with that, but this should be one of the conditions for return. From what I heard, they are not considering VW return no matter what. Please correct me if I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
[QUOTE=AL14;1123172]Why Citroen should fire a man who has won so much with them, after one rally? At least let's see how the season go!
I think this forum lately is too much result oriented.
If a driver has a good stage, he becomes the new Loeb, if another (or the same!!) makes a mistake it's a waste of space.
Like Evans on the Monte last weekend, or the D-macks. Friday they were rubbish, Saturday the revelation of the rally...
And what if Meeke wins in Sweden.
First result after MC rally in 2016 vs 2017 wrc cars - 0.6 secs/km faster for 2017 cars.
How do you compare the times?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Ogier & Breen results.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
I think two things are in effect here lately:Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
1. Lots of waiting + hype for the new cars + speculation based on testing + personal bias = many people having certain bias or expectations (perfectly normal) but are jumping on any sign that they are right and blowing it out of proportion.
2. Since it's the start of the season and the highest profile rally in mainstream media we get a lot of new members or inactive members waking up and posting some superficial stuff due to excitement or lack of information.
The combination of these two things leads to a lot of "noise" in the forum. In a way it's good because it means people are excited and interested but the downside as you say, is that it drowns out the deeper analysis or conversations. It was most obvious in the Monte thread where almost at each stage drivers were going from hero to zero and back again.
You're right. I personally don't care much of someone's opinion of some driver to the point where are personal insults. We should keep the good language in discussions.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Not surprised that it's under 1s/km for this rally. But for the rest of the season it will probably be above that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Of course it will be above that, if the only remaining '16 car is Serderidis, it may go to 1 minute/km.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Comparing 2 different calibre of drivers driving 2 generations of cars on such a tricky rally is not very useful. Let's wait for Mexico and compare 2016 & 2017 times, if the conditions will roughly be the same.
IMO on the Monte the analysis of every stage and every driver, every team and every car, every tyre choice and every little incident was getting just too much.
This is just a sport. Its meant to be fun and exciting. I enjoy watching rally cars being driven fast... the noise they make and admiring the skill of the drivers. This is why I got into rallying... not to analyse it to death.
It's just for fun, nothing 100% of course, and how it could be. But anyway You can always say Ogier lost 40 seconds in a ditch with kind of might equalize their times.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
Thank god there are people who analyse things to death and the world evolved in every aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
On the other hand its good that basic simple folk stay in shallow waters, but to praise incompetence is insulting to the human race.
He makes Prokop look faster than the speed of light.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Goodnight Guys, new to Forum. I'm from Barbados if you know where that is.. lol On the Rally Topic, do any of you believe that Seb was handed the win in Monte due to the fact that Neuville had problems?
what problems Neuville had ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlyFox