If WRC back to Japan for winter rally, where's the venue..?
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If WRC back to Japan for winter rally, where's the venue..?
Rally of Tsumagi is held on snow in Japan this weekend. Here is a video from 2015 event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCPV...ature=youtu.be
The 2016 event is known as International Rally of Tsumagi and has FIA Sanctioning.
Here is an onboard of 2016 practice stage that was posted to youtube a few hours ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An3M6v4QjHA
Yes, he is. Embarassing stuff from start to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
The article about Hirvonen testing for Toyota also mentions Bouffier and Hanninen.
Toyota is believed to have approached Ogier and Latvala.
Would Toyota be potentially better off starting with other drivers than those listed? e.g Evans, Lappi, poaching Abbring, Wiegand etc?
Below vvvv - If Hirvonen is used by Toyota in WRC, it will be about the money. I would guess Hirvonen likes the idea of being able to beat Loeb at Rally Raid events, rather than have to compete against Seb O in a 2017 VW with a new Toyota wrc car.
Perce Neige would have my wrc round vote.
http://www.rallyeperceneige.com/ (Have support crews at the stage starts and ends to change to studded tyres for the stages see whose battery ratle gun works best in the cold)
https://youtu.be/DmfknvKUjg4 (They can even keep the commentator on - Neil Cole)
Would Sweden/ Norway work better as a May event event (South Swedish) and bring more spectators. https://youtu.be/Mlc1qJ0tNro (South Swedish, 2015) (and have Finland at the beginning of August)?
Have Japan as an autumn event with the orange leaves on the ground. Bring a few Chinese competitors over to rally Japan for pr.
Argentina has Dakar and World Rally Cross, WTCC etc could be missed. Spectator issues also. Sardinia is questionable for spectator issues also?
Tommi said the other month that they had no chance to sign Ogier and Latvala. It doesn't seem to be anywhere in the press or public record but those guys appear to be under deals with VW beyond 2016. So I think he might have approached them and found out they couldn't sign them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
For me the identity of Toyota's drivers is one of the most intriguing stories in quite a few years. It would not surprise me at all if they have to go back to Hirvonen - at least for a partial programme in 2017.
Hirvonen, Bouffier and Hanninen are all experienced and good test drivers. No problem there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
The younger guys you mentioned are all currently under contract elsewhere (except Wiegand ?!) Maybe Evans or Abbring could be available for 2017. I don't see any of the big-guns going to Toyota. Maybe Ostberg as their no.1? Sordo could end up there or maybe Neuville if he has another bad year at Hyundai.
Wow. They certainly have snow.. And snow walls... And evidently they are allowed, sensibly, decent studded tires.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
Looks like a lot of fun.
And what they don't have: tradition, passion for the sport and the unique atmosphere like in Swedens and Norways forests.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Could never be a serious replacement.
That much snow isen't really a good thing since you can't see shit, not really a stage worthy of being in a the WRC if they are all more or less like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I hope that was sarcasm, since that's just normal road tyres like in Canada and USA.
Why are we acting as Sweden is already gone? It's just a statement in an interview that is likely been said just to get some easy public money
Yes, as I said before it's the same story since years around the Event, should not be taken to serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
It will be very interesting to see what Toyota will do regarding their drivers indeed. Maybe they can have a shot at Neuville, if not they could possibly end up with a bit of a second-range number 1 driver like Sordo or Ostberg.
Which in their first year back wouldn't really that big of a problem, I guess.
I believe studded tyres are not allowed at France also and we have Monte...Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
So no problem!
Then why don't they use them in rallying? And we don't have proper studs in MC anymore, not much use i guess since it's not as much snow as before, even though it looks ridicules when you could go faster in your Suzuki Swift 4wd than a 500.000 euro WRC on the few km of snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
So suddenly it's a bad thing to have a lot of snow in a winter rally? I am sorry I don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
And that's what people said about Australia replacing New Zealand....Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
From a video making point of view at least, like in that one Clip the car completely disapears behind a snowbank.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
And it makes every corner blind so not so enjoable to drive i would believe.
Snow walls instead of snow banks wouldn't be much fun, I'd imagine. Like driving in a never ending open tunnel.
It's easier to shape and clear the snow than make snow in positive temperatures. These japanese stages looks nice, but I wonder, what's under the snow. If it's tarmac then proper studded racing tires are out of question. If gravel, then I see no problem and there should be a different kind of spectacle than in video, because of much higher speeds. Lapland rally is not much different in terms of snow amound and noone is moaning about tunnels or stuff.
Hey, guys. Why dont we swop Finland for Indonesia or South Africa or whatever. Huh?
Rallyper, there is no point of discussion that as there isn't any news of Finland Rally in any struggle. We are discussion Sweden as its been in the news.
My suggestion was a sarcasm. And this discussion is a joke if you believe Japan or Canada to be a good WRC-winter rally changed from Sweden/Norway.
I understand.
Shame we cannot see sarcasm or joking around in forums with words...
Sweden must definetly stay but i wouldnt mind the idea of having two snow rallies with the other being in japan or canada then. Sweden seems to be very popular among the fans and a lot of estonians go there too.
I don't think we should put too much fear in this. These are the worried words of the organiser. The organiser is basically saying that there is added pressure because these two rallies would very much like to claim their spot with added financial backing. The organiser is also saying that since they are further away from europe, a lot more financial means would be necessary because of the added hassle to get there (I guess the idea is that teams get backing for shipping from the promoter should they replace Sweden).
Also, we have run a calendar with two winter events before and Poland hasn't really been a huge success and now with Kubica out it is going to flop properly so why not replace Poland with another winter event.
All that extra winter gear they need would somehow be twice as motivated. (Not counting MC that is).
Why do you think Poland will flop this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
'cause nobody cares about it apart from Kubica who's out of the WRC and Poland's contract ends this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Have you been to Rally Poland to say that no one cares about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Nope, sorry for the disrespect
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I went to Rajd Polski in 2015.... I did not like it... stages, the people and yes I am of Polish background!; the food was great, the town was great but 4 hour drive to nearest airport... but also I didn't find it spectacular...
It's the drivers that make any rally spectacular and in 2015 they were quite good and fast. Poland is also one of the easiest rallies to spectacle, which is also its curse because there is no way to control these crowds.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
i sugget you stop following the sport, it hurts to see you suffer like that by the things you inflict upon yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
you are agruing with a person who suggested Ogier would leave VW to drive a privately entered citroen team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
Sorry but what do you want, rally in Warsaw near airport? I drove to this rally almost 9 hours and for you 4 hours it's too much? I thought rally is a sport for men not for a boys... ;) Maybe because I'm from Poland but I can't say Rally Poland isn't spectacular.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I was at Poland as well last year, and will visit again this year. Some drive from the airport(s) yes, similar to Sweden or Finland. The organization of the event was far from perfect, when comparing to other WRC events. But... If you didn't find spectacle in Poland, the only reason could be that you were looking in the wrong places... Maybe it could be lack of knowledge/experience, or simply bad luck, but that's something you can't blame the organizers for. :)
Without even bother to check, i would think that one of the most viewed WRC videos from 2015, would be high speed jumps and turns form rally Poland.
Gotcha guys.
Maybe from a media perspective where majority of photographers and tv crews had issues from the marshals, police and head organizers including a particular Polish FIA person who gave us the most hardest restrictions in covering this WRC round in years! From stage access to us following rules in the media guide book to then being moved on from these spots! I think it was the higher up experience than a 'spectating' experience. And yes during the rally there was talk of Ogier leaving VW as on a few occasions and during Rally Australia Ogier was in a riefe with the media and Joost.
There is a certain view of when a number 1 driver is at his peak, more money is being put on offer from a new coming team (Toyota) but at the time everyone saw Toyota as a threat to the drivers market but as you can see later down the track Toyota and Makinen still don't have things locked down... And where I could have said this was going to happen. I only mentioned that Ogier could leave VW for a higher pay packet at his prime... As because when you start going down hill from a prime you won't get offered as much money as if you are at a peak! Offers...
I hope that explains it N.O.T
Just like Makinen would have with Subaru and Burns with Subaru to Peugeot
small difference is that VW is the richest team right now and back then Citroen was almost privately funded.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
there are many sports you can follow man, it is painful to see you trying like that.
I love this sport so I am not moving!
At the time of talk of Ogier leaving, no one knew exactly how much Toyota had to spend on cars/production/team management and drivers!
hopeless.