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doesnt look any different from the current car at his angle
What I meant was that the 2015 Yaris and the 2017 Polo look so similar in white and before I saw the front VW sign I was thinking that it was some Toyota testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Ah I see what you mean, good point. That's exactly what they think they're eliminating with the rule changes but it's not working :|
This will truly change our sport, and bring in hordes of new fans from every country, gender, demographic and so on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
I wonder how many man hours has been spent, how many people has been involved, how many meals have been had, how many air plane tickets and hotel rooms have been paid, how many meetings have been arranged to come up with that? Just wonder..
No doubt they're already using the 36mm restrictor, which is the only engine change allowed by 2017 regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
Frankly even if we found the actual technical base inadequate, the proposed reg path is a clever one: they're just developing the existing technical concept in a budget friendly way. With the exception of the active central diff, the new regs will make the cars faster with superficial adjustments, avoiding major investments (like would be the case if hybrid systems were implement). WRC 1.6T is there since 2011, so the expected life of 9 years (till 2019) is a normal one, regarding WRC 2.0T (14 years), gr. A (10 years) and Gr.2/4 (10 years) as previous top WRC categories (Gr. B was the abnormal exception, during only 4 years). And this time it seems it was easy to reach a fast agreement between the FIA and the manufacturers (replacing WRC 2.0T took 2 and a half years!), so flight and hotel bills were probably low...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
That's true and it's been on the cards for quite a while. What they're doing wrong is, yet again, the promotional side of things. It's been billed as the best thing since Group B which, depending on opinion, could be true but it's not bonkers like they're making out. Being labelled as something it's not is what irks me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
If the press release said something like: "The new for 2017 regulations will be an evolution of the current rules that have been in place since 2011. Early in discussions with the manufacturers it was clear that controlling costs by remaining close to the current World Rally Car was important to them. The changes made for 2017 are as follows..." then there wouldn't be all this misplaced hype that will ultimately be a bit of an anti-climax. You can't argue that the new cars will have that little bit more impact, but we've been told they're going to look different, sound different, cook your dinner and give your wife a better orgasm than before.
They've ballsed up by over-hyping, though some blame lays with people inside WRC but not connected to the rule-making process - Malcolm Wilson and Markku Alen to name two.
I suppose we all have read the proposed reg changes and those who understand what it says, recognize the 2017 cars will be based on the 2011 foundation. Evolution, not revolution. Group B comparison was clear from the start when people realised the new cars can be somewhat bigger and more spectacular - even free - in shape. That "hype"' was equally created by the fans and the press, myself included. Now that we've seen the first glimpses of how it would be, many seem to have forget this indeed is evolution of the current spec, not all new. And get naturally dissappointed.
Funny though, people I know that have been to tests and commented the car, they all have said similar: "It indeed kind of reminds the Gr B". So, maybe what the most of us still miss, the actual feel of it, is actually quite something.
of course nobody is stupid enough to take what we are seeing with the Polo now, and think that's exactly what we will be getting in 2017. I expect the thing to slowly grow more spoilers/dive planes as time goes on.
I have to agree with what JML said back in Finland, the cars need flames, and loud bangs on the over run etc ;)
If only :(
If only what? That car is a fake, ot what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
(Maybe to big or something?)
Yeah I know it's fake. If only it were real
can we have more autistic photoshops ? they are so badly made they are fun...
Passat as the next Octavia WRC..xD
How old is this article? January?Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
I assume it is pretty old since they are taking about fuel flow regs rather than air flow restrictor which is what ended up being the case.
EightGear, even older but Passat is the weird part... http://voice.hupu.com/f1/1733476.html
There was also a central diff in the Polo tested car. What a work from VW in few weeks !
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...a4&oe=56668C01
http://bit.ly/1Ffa5eY
Their knowtion is way longer back in time. They have insight information you and I donīt have.
Maybe, but they are the only team to put a such car on the road...
And they will test it with German efficiency and accuaracy, and by that get a horsehead in front of the rest!Quote:
Originally Posted by traxx
There will be new VW Polo roadcar in 2016, so 2017 WRC-model will not be current Polo bodytype!
"Frankfurt Motor Show of dreams" - Lancia Delta HF integrale WRC concept
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Don't You want to start a topic "WRC photoshops" or something with similar name? It would be better to keep this thread for serious discussion about new rules/cars.
Why the fuss?
CONCEPT!!! WRC photos posted in a thread named "The new FIA WRC-car CONCEPT!!! 2017".
Photoshop is essential part of bringing an idea to life and turn it into a final product - "A dream come true".
I am working on the next part of the answer...
I have nothing against Your photoshops but it would be better to have them in separate thread as they are pure fiction which has nothing to do with reality.
Mirek, post #308 is a serious CONCEPT photo posted in a CONCEPT thread.
No Photoshop!
Your Seriousness, I hope my imagination won't inflict deep pain and dangerous wounds upon You with the "fiction" below...
http://s5.postimg.org/6lmeshu4n/image.jpg
Why the fuss?Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
because real detailed informative information and images of what is already out there is as difficult as hell to find, so purely dreamed up pretty piccies of your idea of what some car might be like are what is called "fappery" as in fapping--a term which should be easy to understand..
There is of course a time and a place for fappery and fapping..Some can reasonably argue that the huge growth and popularity of first home video cassett players and then the whole internet was to a large degree based on fappery and the desire to fap..
But HERE we are in more need of real solid info, actuality.
Now rather than getting butt-hurt you could have told us what the connection was between the piccie and how you are working on "making the dream come true"..
That might be interesting..
OK?
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
This is, presumably, the originator of the picture answering a question about it https://www.facebook.com/ilovelancia...%3A%22R3%22%7D
Nice as it is, it's not a real car and isn't relevant to a thread about the 2017 World Rally Car Rules.
This time I must agree with Mirek. It Is a photoshop and definitelly it is not SERIOUS concept car. It doesnīt even look like Lancia. It has nothing in common with Lancia design. It is dream of one silly man. If only someone would build his own WRC lookalike car from present Ypsilon or Delta in his own garage, it would be a CONCEPT. This is (ugly) dream of one man with no connection to nice design of Lancia.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
This one looks great and it would be really nice if you open a specific thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
I've created a thread here: http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...eam-car-thread
BTW, can we moving the dream rally car posts from this thread..?
Hoping to not get BANNED here for this suggestion... but.
Wouldnt be a good idea do keep the costs low if for these new 2017 cars, WRC demand all teams to buy a spec and proper roll-cage/bars/structure built (based on all safety needed and size of the cars [that would be simple, they are all hatchbacks]) and the the manufacturers puts the engine and everything in place and then they cover the car with some kind of carbon fiber "bubble"? Kinda lina in NASCAR. They are pretty safety, cheap.. and manufacturers can add their carachteristics to that bubble, even that the cars are all the same
(nascar = all sedans / wrc = all hatchback)
Does it sound too stupid? Sorry for that =P
It was discussed previosuly in this thread (at least I hope it was in this one). Maybe You can find the discussion if You go back. I think it was Lundefaret who brought this idea. There are certainly valid points behind the idea but frankly I don't think it would make WRC cheaper. The carmakers have dedicated budget to spend and they spend it all no matter what the car regulations area. It's costly not because of technical regulations but because it is the pinacle of the sport.