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BF Goodrich tyres?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's strange that the i20 appears to be testing in conditions suited to Monte Carlo if Hyundai have no intention of competing there. Yes, sooner or later, you have to test for the Monte, but the conditions are so unique that most of the data you get from testing there is only really going to be useful for Monte Carlo. It makes much more sense to me to concentrate on gravel and dry tarmac to get the fundamental elements of the car right, and only test for Monte Carlo when you actually intend on competing in Monte Carlo.
But for all I know, they're testing in Siberia.
No fake in my opinion. The car presented in first photos was different to this one. Hence the difference. I would call this one the first real WRC prototype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
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Originally Posted by peg306
Gravel tyres on wet and cold asphalt combined with natural lack of traction on front axle. That's it in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Monte Carlo with gravel tyres? Come on, it's just first testing. Fiesta S2000, WRC and Mini WRC appeared on asphalt with gravel tyres in many initial testing videos. Just browse through history. First You need to know everything is working before You set to real stages. That's why first all real cars are driven over own factory testing grounds. Sure this session was no preparation for any real event. And why is there wet snow? Because it is in all central Europe. If You think there is this kind of weather in Siberia now, don't go there or You'll die soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
I think You guys try to find something which is not present ;)
Interesting, it looks like it has door bars similar to the mini wrc from the quick shot with the door open.
Now on Autosport:
Hyundai World Rally Car makes European test debut - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
I'm guessing that most of the development that has been done to date has been done behind closed doors in South Korea. There probably hasn't been a lot of media attention, because motorsport is not prolific in the country, and so we didn't get a lot of material.
I can understand some sceptism is order until things are revealed officially. But still this bashing of the project here seems a bit unjustified.
I thought all rallyfans would be happy to see a big manufacturer interested in entering the WRC
Hankook Tyres
Easy
That is what Tyres they tested with at the ADAC centre in Germany
more new photos
GALERIEN*:: rallye-magazin.de
Interesting story at wrc.com, some spokesman explained the project. Teamchief going to be presented one of the days.
Autosport were one of the publications at the test. Here is the article from the Autosport+ section...
By David Evans
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So it does exist. It really does. It moves, pops, bangs and skids. And it looks like a rally car. Admittedly, a rally car on small wheels, but a rally car – and possibly even a World Rally Car. Hyundai has arrived. Again.
In October, chairman Chung's son stood up and committed South Korea's biggest carmaker to a World Rally Championship return. Since then, however, in the following two months, there's been absolute silence. Nothing. Nada. So quiet in fact, that the folk over the border in Pyongyang have looked positive chatty by comparison.
And then this: would I like to come to Frankfurt for a ride in the car?
Of course I would.
Even as I boarded the plane, I still had no real idea of what was coming, what was waiting, or what I'd be told.
All would be revealed about half an hour outside the city. In the snow. We were at one of ADAC's driving centres, essentially a German equivalent of MIRA or Millbrook. After an introduction, there was movement outside. And there it was… moving.
The i20 WRC. Hyundai's first World Rally Car since the Accent WRC made a quarrelsome exit from the sport nine years ago.
Hyundai last competed in the WRC in 2003 © LAT
The introduction to the day had come from Hyundai Motor Europe's communications guru Stefan Henrich. One of the things he was keen to underline is the lack of contact with drivers. In fact, the lack of significant contact with anybody involved in the sport.
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So, today, our driver would be a Hyundai test driver from the plant in Korea. He was, in Stefan's unflinchingly honest words, a nameless fellow from a pool of around 50 potential testers.
Helmeted up, I met the man with no name. A balaclava covering everything but his eyes only added to the sense of mystery. Nameless he might have been, voiceless he was not.
"You have good time!" he shouted, with both thumbs in the air.
Despite the white nomex covering most of his face, his eyes shone. He was going to have a good time. He was living the dream. In fairness, I half expected to wake up myself any moment now.
We'd been warned not to try and take any pictures of the interior of the car, which made me all the more intrigued as to what was going on in there. Climbing into the i20 WRC was much the same as most other World Rally Cars. There was nothing out of the ordinary, except for the fact that it needs to slim down – there are more electronic displays than current WRC vogue.
Certainly, the inside looked the part. My only gripe, in fact, is that from the width of the seat I was trying to squeeze into, Koreans don't share my passion for pies.
The belts were done, although they were almost entirely superfluous… having got into the seat it would have taken some pretty significant g-forces to get me out.
And anyway, with the snow still lying on this miserable and deeply chilly December morning, there wouldn't be much in the way of face-shaping gravitational pull.
http://cdn.images.autosport.com/edit...1355678338.jpg Hyundai ran the i20 WRC on a makeshift test track
Very quickly it became clear that what I was sitting in was a test car and nothing more. The was no viscous acceleration, nothing like the pin-point turn-in that fully loaded differentials would have offered and the brakes really weren't too handy either.
I was confused. What was the point of this exercise?
Even more confusing, lovely bloke as I'm sure my nameless friend was, he really wasn't showing the car in the best light at all. Admittedly, we were racing through a stage of traffic cones, but half of the time I'm really not sure he had any idea where we were going and the other half of the time I'm certain he didn't know what gear we were in. Furthermore, on at least one occasion, he pulled us from second to third gear instead of getting the handbrake.
But the enthusiasm was massive.
When I got out of the car, I was nonplussed and genuinely wondering what on earth was going on.
Getting out of the car, it began to make sense. Everything began to make sense.
Assembled alongside the makeshift service area, a group of Koreans looked on proudly as their car slipped its way around the stage. Every time it came back, they cleaned it rigorously and listened intently to what anybody said about the car.
When the one with no name spun, he was treated like an all-conquering hero when he stepped unscathed from the machine. The pride in their work was immense.
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I got it. This really, really was the start of something.
This was it. This was the i20 WRC in its rawest form.
Hyundai hadn't brought me to Germany to give me an engineering story that would rock the WRC to its very core, I was here to see exactly this enthusiasm. And the associated intent.
The car, quite simply, didn't matter. My friend could have given me a run down the road in a wheelbarrow, as far as I was concerned. I now understood.
Hyundai's commitment to next year's World Rally Championship is absolute.
There will be those quick to scoff at the company's attempts at going from zero to a full WRC programme in 12 months, but that's absolutely the intention.
Looking at the most recent projects, Prodrive spent pretty much a year developing a generic car before spending a similar amount of time bolting that technology into a Mini Countryman. Volkswagen is just ending a development programme that has, realistically, gone on for almost the same amount of time with the Polo R WRC.
So, can Hyundai halve the development time? Why not? A few years ago, nobody would have thought it possible for a single car plant to churn our 1.6 million motors a year, yet the company's Ulsan facility does. Making a handful of more bespoke Hyundai's shouldn't be a problem from its new facility in Frankfurt.
Budget-wise, you do the maths. Hyundai sells more than four million cars a year; money shouldn't be a problem.
It's not going to be easy though. Hyundai is talking about installing a team principal in January, with the rest of the team in place soon after. For the car to stand any chance in 2014, it will need to be testing soon into the second half of the season and that's a very big ask.
Despite ranking higher than Ford in terms of vehicles produced, plenty of folk still have little clue about Hyundai; doubtless plenty think it's just the company that sponsors the World Cup.
And that's why Hyundai's coming to the World Rally Championship: to wake the world up to what it's got to offer.
The Korean-built i20 WRC has got the firm's world championship effort to the startline. But from the ground up, there's a whole new race waiting to be run. And possibly even won.
Under the bonnet of Hyundai's WRC return - AUTOSPORT+
I still don't understand why they've not been testing the car with proper professional driver.
The interest about motorsports is absolutely miserable in my country.
It's been a long time since motorsport was degraded to a celebrities' expensive hobby in here, so there isn't any driver who can give the team some useful feedback.
In my opinion the answer is simple - because it's no real car and therefore there's no feedback needed. The team doesn't even have a boss in the moment so what would be any kind of feedback from "some car" be good for?
A good article saying exactly what it is. They have taken a bit of a different approach than the other, showing basically a showcar. Now starts the real development and with the money they have for the project, if the mney of wisely spent it can become a very very good car.
It seems like the glasses are always half-empty here on the forums lately...
Back to topic, please...
The Close Encounters of The Third Factoryteam.
Where's Brother John, when you need him ...
Against cars that have had years in development? Not likely. Perhaps after a season or two of development in their own right, but by then, I think Solberg will be a spent force.
Honestly, I don't get the love for Petter. Sure, he's popular and he's had some success at the highest level, but his skills are in decline. And while he might be cursed with ageing cars, it's obvious he's nowhere near his best. Worse for Solberg is the way he was in a works team in 2012, but achieved next to nothing. A handful of podiums - and only third placings - is nowhere near what Solberg was capable of at the height of his powers a decade ago. If he under-performed driving for a works team in one of the most-developed cars in the field, why is he suddenly going to be back in championship contention driving an under-developed car after a one-year sabbatical?
i might have a difference perspective about solberg, but he can perform may be in 2012 pressure from ford or malcolm was too much and he just could not focus on driving 100%
in 2011 he was performing really well but then citoren had problem with him ''out performing works drivers''
he is 38 and sure he can develop hyundai he helped malcolm to develop fiesta in 2012 that is why it was performing better then before.
so....................... it's just my perspective i dont see solberg loosing his touch
any ways lets see
:) so how did your Solberg blockbuster suggestion survive when mine got deleted? Trolls at work again I think! BJ back from the North Pole and applying.immoderate moderation ( like Cartman in South Park _ respect my authoritah) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
C'mon BJ this should be in the Petter thread! (caution agent provocateur at work - and I don't mean the expensive. Lingerie brand!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
The answer is easy. Mine was that good :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Do you want to be the first member that I will bann here? I don´t need talk behind my back!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Are you God the almighty? Are you the one behind bans of N.O.T and JanvaVurpa also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
get a life sheriff!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
He got banned as well? Started to wonder why he'd become so quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Excuse me BJ how is a public posting 'talk behind your back' ? Deleting my posts without the courteousy of a PM in explanation is what I'm poking a little gentle fun at. I don't believe I have done anything in contravention of forum rules so why would be under a public threat of being banned. If that is your intention I was under the impression that private warnings were the correct procedure. I don't make personal attacks on members neither do I curse as a matter of course - although I believe most of us are adult enough to be able to take and give banter. I have no difficulty in apologising if my humour is sometimes misunderstood but mostly it appears be taken in the spirit it is intended. Happy to continue this by PM if you have a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother John
Who gave BJ the authorization of being an admninistrator in the first place?
Yes - can we please ask for a moderator to be banned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I think you should ask Mark. Some people complained about lack of moderators in the rally-section and BJ did a proposal to become moderator himself. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
JanvaVurpa was banned also? WTF? I didn't know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Now when you say it, I think I remember...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Anyway, back to topic.
So how do you guys think Hyundai will develop during 2013? Maybe we should have a small competition about Hyundai ending up 2013?
I´ll start:
In december 2013 Hyundai have a WRC-car 90% ready for 2014. Petter and Neuville in first team for 2014. Pontus Tidemand, having won the JWRC in 2013, driving the 3rd i20...
Topic please? This should be in The bull****tread...
maybe i'm weird, but i don't miss any posibly banned "writers".
maybe BJ has been too harsh, maybe it had too be done. Its lots of bs in every tread here, so he actually have a point.
back to hyundai wrc, and happy ******* christmas.....
You was faster, per :)
i actually think hyundai can be quite good first year, but not at vw/Citroën level. Maybe at msports level at 2013 end?
the drivers is interesting, hyundai has potensial very good budgets, so they can hire whoever they wan't to get the project go fast both technical, testing and drivers.
me too....wtf???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
So you believe VW will be at same level as Citroën and higher than M-Sport? ...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
at end of 2013, and 2014 beginning, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
i really hopes msport get theire stuff together, thought.
Get the right team on board before starting any testing etc. VW knew what they were doing poaching Ogier with a year in hand. Hyundai will do the same. Expect Solberg to be a signed up Hyundai team member by the end of January, if they don't they're foolish.
I still don't understand why NOT and JanvaVurpa were banned from this forum. I think there are many guys on this forum that are writing a lot more bull... than those two. At least they had something interesting to say and that can not be said by some others. :D