i said it was to my liking :)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
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i said it was to my liking :)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
The calendar and rallies subject is always a difficult one.
About rotating system, I think it would work if there's a very high level regional championship. E.g. some events in Europe would rotate between the WRC and ERC. But that would mean that the ERC has a very fierce competition going on nearly every round.
I feel if the WRC becomes to European it would be like having 2 ERC's. I am also not sure if the FIA would allow the WRC to be purely based in Europe. I was given to the understanding that the FIA was obliged to promote motorsport world wide.
1998 was the best in my opinion;
Round Dates Race
1 19–21 January Monte Carlo Rally
2 6–8 February Swedish Rally
3 28 February-2 March Safari Rally
4 22–25 March Rally Portugal
5 20–22 April Rally Catalunya
6 4–6 May Tour de Corse
7 20–23 May Rally Argentina
8 7–9 June Acropolis Rally
9 24–27 July Rally New Zealand
10 21–23 August Rally Finland
11 12–14 October Rally Sanremo
12 5–8 November Rally Australia
13 22–24 November Network Q Rally of Great Britain
sounds good but i truly would bring back Rally Japan,Norway,Ireland, Cyprus and Perth in Australia (for the next time it rotates). so to sum it up i would do a 16 round calendar yes i know 16:
Monte-Carlo
Sweden
Norway
Mexico
Argentina
Cyprus
Greece
Sardegna
Finland
Germany
New-Zealand/Australia(in Perth obviously)
Spain
France
Japan
Ireland
Wales GB
very nice calendar but again a proper WRC would have 18 events just like the best super motorsport of Formula one racing series... can you please post the 18 event calendar you would like to see ? i think we can have a calendar like that and maybe more, the teams can afford it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
as you requested:Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
Monte-Carlo
Sweden
Norway
Mexico
Argentina
Cyprus
Sardegna
Greece
Finland
Germany
New-Zealand
Spain
Corsica
Turkey
Japan
Australia
Ireland
Wales GB
very nice.... i like your thinking.... for you what would be ideal ? for me i think 1 event every 15 days so that makes it 24 events per year...but they also need lets say 1-2 months holidays to see their families and play games with their kids and their doggies. so that makes it 20 events....you think it is possible ? what your 20 events would be ? my knowledge is limited so i do not know what we could add... maybe safari and an event in some distant place like Cuba and bikini islands or hawai which is in the USA ? so that would draw huge audiences from the Nascar people...or maybe untested markets like south and north korea.... what do you think ? 20 events !!!! go on please enlighten us...
Monte-Carlo (Wet Tarmac)
Sweden/Norway (Split 1.5day in each country)
West Virginia
Turkey
Brazil
Corsica (Tarmac)
Greece
Ypres (Tarmac)
Finland
Germany(Tarmac)
Poland (Tarmac)
New Zealand
Portugal
Jordan/AbuDhabi
Ireland (Tarmac)
Wales GB
(Monte with Swed/Norway keep same spec cars.
Send new cars to USA and then ship to Brazil.
Turkey/Greece same spec cars.
Corsica/Ypres/Germany/Poland same spec cars.
Finland cars send to NZ right after then back for GB from USA/Brazil.
Portugal/Middle East and Ireland same spec cars as Turkey/Greece.)
For a moment I thought you're seriously thinking that but then saw the three capital letters in your user nameQuote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
Bahahahahahaha
lol, NxOxT initial post didn't trick me :p
I would agree with Doon that 1998 calendar look fantastic. Not a single event was boring or similar to another. The only thing is to have Catalunya rally as today mixed event and also Sanremo rally return to the 80 mixed event format. Those gravel roads were fantastic.
Mixed San Remo was amazing...unfortunately, i think that it never come back :( Tuscany gravel roads are some of the best in the world, but nowadays it's so difficult find permits to close these roads... But i'm agree, 1998, and also 1999 calendars were defenetly amazing! SanRemo, Corsica and Catalunya were real asphalt rally, personally i really don't like Alsace, neighter Germany...Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
The WRC is European. It couldn't become more European. The teams are based in Europe, the drivers are European, the best rallies are in Europe, they all eat pasta. The FIA is "obliged" to make the thing work. It ain't working at the moment. Get the costs under control and it's got a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
My thoughts exactly. +1Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
i still would do 16 events, but it will take long time until they do that again...
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
Hawai every second year and Alaska every second year. Couple events on neutral ground, north and south pole.
I thought the whole idea of having a WORLD Rally Championship is that they travel around the world. Not just Europe. Obviously if you throw enough cash at the FIA, and have utterly s**t roads you will get a rally. It is a shame we are loosing good rallies to average at best ones. Poland's inclusion however I do welcome. That turned out to be a superb event when it was run last.
I just hope NZ doesn't loose out as it is single handedly the biggest, high profile sporting event to visit our shores, and it is nice to have something other than rugby showing up here. :D
Rugby being obviously big over there but I share your opinion. I’ve always liked NZ with it flowing fast roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
It is generally always regarded as having some of the best stages in the world by most drivers. Often the really great drivers excel here. McRae, Sainz, Gronholm, Burns and Loeb to name a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Keep NZ ditch Australia
Surely the whole idea of having a world championship is to have competitors from around the world. Where it plays out doesn't matter. Presently we have a French championship being contested all over the world because only two manufacturers can afford to enter and pay even one contracted driver. Consequently we have talented deserving drivers from around the world who we aren't getting to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
I'd be happy to see one excellent rally repeated a dozen times if it meant more manufacturers and more seats and something actually resembling a competition.
Plea to all calender authors - Ireland will never come back if assigned an end of year date. Late spring is what the organisers stated was the only viable timing for a WRC event there.
Why only late spring?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
WRC should have events of different character. For example, Alsace and Germany are of almost the same type. One of them should be dropped and probably replaced by Corsica which is one of its kind. Sardinia and Portugal are also very similar in character. One of them should be dropped and make place for a different event, for example a mixed surface event in Tuscany.
On the other hand, Monte, RAC, Sweden, Acropolis, Finland and New Zealand are classic events with unique characteristics and should form the backbone of WRC. Personally, when Monte was dropped I regarded that WRC had lost its quality and image. You can't put events just because of the money that some organizer can find. WRC is not just business and if seen as business, in the long term the image loss will be so great that the money loss will make it not viable.
Rally Australia in Coffs Harbour is not a classic and not truely Australian...
Red gravel no
It's more in the rain Forrest... Yawn
There's nothing wrong with Coffs Harbour.. The ARC used to run there for a long time.
It has a lot of political support as well, which is important for sure. I just hope NZ or Aus is on the calendar for 2014
But it doesn't have that unique standpoint like Perth did. The original rally australia was a one of a kind with it's loose ball bearing gravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
Exactly - it had it's own unique characteristic. Now, no offence, but it's just another gravel event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazza555)
In an ideal WRC, each event should bring something different to the table. Alpine tarmac roads in winter, snow & ice of Scandinavia in winter, very fast gravel in Finland, the dry, dusty car breaking gravel of Acropolis, the high altitude of either Mexico/ Argentina, the fast, flowing, cambered gravel roads of NZ, etc
You forgot the wonderful Welsh mud ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Why not have a absolute WET Tarmac rally before Wales... in.... IRELAND!!!
The nature of the Irish climate makes flooded tarmac unpleasant for both competitors and spectators so November through to early April is felt to be the wrong time for the event to be most attractive. There is then about a 6 week period before closing the roads would interfere with agricultural needs. This continues through to late August / September when harvests have finished. From then until October is a possibility but they'd be competing with Germany, France and Spain for a tarmac rally spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
I see
Spooky that! I was answering an earlier point and it answered you too!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I went to both the WRC Ireland events which were great rallies if you are a brains-out afficianado BUT it was very wet. See this pic Dani Sordo Citroen C4 Sloughan Glen Rally Ireland 2009 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
In order to get the spectatators needed to make the event viable they'd have to have it warmer (it's Ireland so the chance of rain is always there. A 'fine day' means it's only drizzling)
If most of the drivers love Finland, and have that as their favorite, with fast gravel roads, then they should add a Finland look-alike.
Maybe in one of the Baltic countries has the most similar roads?
The roads in Estonia are quite similar in character. It's very fast although not so many jumps as in Finland. But still plenty of blind crests. The thing that is different is the surface. It is more softer than Finland, I think about the same we saw in Poland.
In Latvia and Lithuania the surface is even more softer and also the roads are usually faster than Estonia, but of course you can always find roads that are more technical.
I would say that rally in Baltic countries would be something between Finland and Poland, the same as the countries are geographically situated. :)
so today they declare next year's calendar?.... or is it tommorrow i'm confused, i remember they said 'till the end of July.
what's up with next year calendar???!!!!
End of August.
Hopefully the calendar of the following years won't be going in the direction of F1, i.e. consist of we-paid-more events only.