Whole motorsport and rally have been "build" by these gentleman drivers. Like 1894 Paris-Rouen. Without these gentlemans we don´t have whole motorsport. :)
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Whole motorsport and rally have been "build" by these gentleman drivers. Like 1894 Paris-Rouen. Without these gentlemans we don´t have whole motorsport. :)
Moreover Vigion was one of the most talentuous young french at the end of 2000's. He could have another carreer if he didn't lost his driving license in Mont Blanc 2009 ... at this time if I remenber correctly he was leading french championship, and I'm quite sure he would have won. But due to his mistake, he lost his sponsorship (Yacco) and his carreer never really restart ... but after two difficult years (2010 few races with C2 S1600, and 2 international events with 207 S2000, with very good times in Rallye de France; and no monney to do whole champ in 2011, doing some event in a not reliable 207 S2000), he did a nice combeack this year with DS3 R3, fighting against all young french rising star, proving that his skill is still there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If he didn't lose his driving license ... maybe he could have had some international experience, and for sure no-one would classified him as gentleman driver.
Is that a "Monte Carlo 2013" topic or not...?
In as much as it is discussing the merits of competitors against their contemporaries I think it is acceptable. After all we are in the phoney war period. Entry list posted, testing mostly done waiting for Valence Shakedown with baited breath. Hell, I wish the season would start. For those wanting a fix and who haven't noticed - RMC Pickem is now live!Quote:
Originally Posted by katikisphotography
What happened that he lost his licence in 2009 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
Kosciuszko's Mini:
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News from France - Page 5Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_tiger
Speeding
I'm not sure that this livery is for Monte, i think it's from Barbórka 2010...
Mini probably was't homologated in 2010.
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Originally Posted by Bartek
2011 you mean. Indeed livery is very similar:
eWRC.cz - po vech stránkách rally
Great fight it'll be in 2WD class :bounce:
Sorry about the stupid question but is it that if you retire at Monte, there is no super rally or whateverthef**k it is?
Yes, same as last year, if you're out, you're outQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
There is NO superrally at MC, Retired=RetiredQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Hence my 'Deerhunter' allusion in the pickem preambleQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Full quote
'One shot - anything else is pussy'
RMC certainly sorts the men from the boys!
I really, really wish that the above post said, "There is NO superrally in the 2013 WRC. Retired = retired."Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
No hope, Sweden has SuperrallyQuote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
So how do you attract media interest and joe public when there might only be 3/13 WRC cars running on day 3. What I do think is that no one who has not completed every stage should finish ahead of someone who has. 1 fail should be awarded for every stage not completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
All Monte Carlo editions since 2009 were without superally. I stand behind the opinion that it didn't harm the rally but exactly opposite. Especially because it brought back the feeling that finishing the event is something memorable and a success itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
If they use the system like ERC, they will restart! Just bonus points for the leg classifications!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Does anybody know on what TV station can we watch it?! Hope for Eurosport....
I respect that view and understand that RMC is a special case, but if we want to safeguard the future of rallying as a WC then greater attraction for non-afficiandos is required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
That would still allow retirees to beat those who cover the whole distanceQuote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
How long was SR around? Ten years? Did it make WRC better or did it attract anybody? I don't think so, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Maybe the manufacturers will have left earlier if the opportunity to get return on their investment had been removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
The existence of SR doesn't seem to have STOPPED anyone joining - VW, Hyundai etc...
Can yo uprove in any way that it has hurt?
That's nonsense. Look at other championships. IRC since 2006 didn't use SR (it was up to organizers but only a fraction of them decides to use it) and the number of involved manufacturers wasn't worse to WRC. The overall number of participants was usually higher. Manufacturers don't compete in a championship to be allowed to restart. They compete to win. You don't win by restarting anyway. You don't restart in any other form of motorsport but still manufacturers are interested if the championship is healthy, has clear stable rules and enough promotion. Superally or other crazy inventions are not important for manufacturers at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
What is without any doubts is that SR ruins fair competition. Look at the long muddy stage in Cataluya. How many 2WD crews were slower in the stage than crews which didn't make it to finish at all? That's plain ridiculous. How would the F1 look if You could overtake someone while standing in a box? Rallying is of course not F1 but that doesn't make it a place where You can spit on low-level and private competitors.
Support championships SWRC, JWRC and PWRC were plagued by SR. How many % of points were given to those who didn't finish whole course? Jordan 2010 comes to my mind as a ridiculous event where almost everybody on points at least once retired. Is it fair if someone crashes every day except last short one and takes points while the other makes whole route and than retires in last day without any points because SR is not allowed last day?
Wasn't rallying from its beginning a sport where to finish first first You had to finish? Which sport benefited from turning back to its fundamentals?
I don't like Super Rally (Rally 2) either. Have you watched McRae trying to finish a stage after some accident :D Some spirit huh?
Why can't common sense apply? If you SupeRally, or Rally2 - then you can't finish ahead of competitors who have done the whole event. Simple.
In show-jumping if you have fences down, you finish behind ALL clear rounds, even if you are faster.
if they want to get rid of superrally, they should reintroduce flying service.
give people the chance to repair some damage after each stage, so they don't have to quit due to 1 small mistake.
Let me guess, you are video games fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
When WRC events had over 150 entrants including at least 20 potential winners then retirement was acceptable. The field of less than 50 cars with only 13 total WRC is not going to be attractive to tv and hence in turn will further dissuade manufacturers. There are more than the number of entrants and SR involved in this problem but ending SR without allowing the sort of servicing time and opportunities that used to make for heroic stories of determination would be counter-productive.
At regional level here in New Zealand, if you DNF a stage, you can rejoin at certain later points in the rally like a service area exit control. You however aren't classified as a finisher, and regardless of your stage times, the results classify you behind those who completed all stages.
In my opinion as a back of the field regional competitor, this works well - as it allows you to continue to compete, even though you aren't classified. At least this way you can still get some stage miles, which is often what we are after as we realise we won't win our class or the rally.
Not a fan of super rally, Mr Loeb I think would have 1 less championship had it not been around.
YES this is what I've been thinking for so long! I think it's wrong that works cars can retire then still score points. It deprives privateers who are trying to get a foothold in the sport a chance to make their mark and score points. However I understand that the FIA, in order to disguise the shocking state of the WRC (which I hold them responsible for, largely by getting rid of 3 cars then adding expensive rallies), they have to allow this rule to make the fields seem less sparse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkvy
The solution above I think offers the best of both worlds. Cars can rejoin and gain experience, and the fans can still see their heroes! Yet it will be fair to the plucky privateers who have made the effort to stay on the road and look after their car - that also seems very SPORTING!
The FIA could of course simply undo the changes that caused the WRC to jump the shark in the first place rather than resort to artificial gimmicks... :(
I think the SuperRally rule has been discussed many times on this forum since it was introduced. Here is a brief history of how it came about:
1/ WRC promoter concerned with lack of manufacturers' car entries
2/ FIA proposed SuperRALLY as used in APRC, etc (possible leg points but no overall classification for re-starters)
3/ WRC Manufacturers rejected proposal as not enough incentive to re-start
4/ All the above compromised and WRC version of Super Rally was born
5/ FIA modified Super Rally rule a couple of times and even re-named it Rally 2
I wonder how the new manufacturer would vote (see point 3/ above) if the Super Rally issue was debated at an FIA meeting this year?
maybe the new regulations in ERC are a test for the future of WRC ? It would be the best thing to satisfy all the people ... only crews who finished are classified, and other can restart and take points day, so organizers and promotors would be happy.
This system has been used in ERC for maybe five years already. it has been also used in some national championships (Czech for example)
Nobody would need Super Rally if teams were running 3 cars.