Do You Know the Real Islam?

There are those who follow various religions .

There are those who , with help from highly experienced propagandists , ensure that those religions cast each other as evil , so as to ensure wars between different factions are propagated regularly , to ensure profits .

Religion is a good way to get people to fight each other .

Witness this thread , and it becomes easy to understand .
It's not about who is right , but who isn't .

Testify , or justify ?

how could a god allow this to happen BBC News - Giant Jesus statue hit by lightning in Ohio

Cos the statue was crap, even God was offended.

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Originally Posted by jens

Genuinely religious people tend to be genuinely good-hearted, friendly, open, warm and caring for others.

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....until you become a member of their cult, then their attitude changes..... :laugh:

The issue with "turning water into wine" and other expressions is that they may well be (and probably are) metaphors. Those holy books were written such a long time ago that it is basically very challenging to understand, what did the author really have in mind with what he was saying. The problems arise, when people are not deepening into the issue nor utilize reading comprehension, trying to understand contexts, backgrounds and imagination. I do believe (now I used that keyword, see! :) ) that a religion is fundamentally tolerant and aimed at spreading good-will, so seeing some Christians here arguing against other religions and spreading hate have some work to do with themselves, religious work no less.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What the Bible says, amongst other things, is that Jesus turned water into wine. Any sensible being of sound mind knows that this is impossible. Not the most reliable source, perhaps.

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Not true! All you [also] need is sugar, yeast, elderflowers to taste, a demijohn, an airing cupboard and about a week.........

Text found on the 'missing' first page of the bible:-

The characters in this book are fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental

:laugh:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Not true! All you [also] need is sugar, yeast, elderflowers to taste, a demijohn, an airing cupboard and about a week.........

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No grapes?

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Originally Posted by Mark

No grapes?

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Well, he'd need to wash his feet first, and who would be allowed to do that?

He can wash his own feet, lazy bitch.

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Originally Posted by Mark

He can wash his own feet, lazy bitch.

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Oooohhhhhh, get you!

There is something that has always intrigued me when conversing with "born agains" and their belief system. It appears to me as a totally self absorbed way of looking at their maker and what he want irrespective of what those in hearing distance wish to hear.
I saw on Sunday a QB (quarter back)for an American NFL team that has become famous because of his Christian beliefs which he spouts ad nauseam when given the chance. I guess he believes that JC is looking a/after him only b/ his team and c/ the other team is a bunch of heathens.
Oh, and by the way to Danica Fan and Bob Riebe. How do you rationalize execution and war even if it is for your own defense when it clearly states "Thou shalt not Kill". I don't see anything about killing murderers or collateral damage victims such as those in all the wars and violence since time immemorial.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Not true! All you [also] need is sugar, yeast, elderflowers to taste, a demijohn, an airing cupboard and about a week.........

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About a week? Are we making Jacob's Creek?

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

Why should you be able say that muslims are murdering people but in the same breath state that Christians are not? Should this really be a Muslims kill people and Christians dont argument or a Christians kill people and Muslims dont argument? At the end of the day people kill people.

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Go to post 183 and then how I responded to Dave's statement and then how Henner respondeded to my response and then how I respondededed to Henner's incorrrect reading of my responses and then....

It will tell you how it got to this point.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

What is this obsession with numbers? If Religion A is responsible for x deaths, and Religion B is responsible for x/2 deaths, does that mean that A is "better" than B? No, it means that both religions have crappy factions who interpret their respective texts in a way which justifies killing. That's not something to be proud of.

I know that the Christians who go around killing and discriminating, spreading hatrid and bigotry, aren't representative of the entire religion.---Give me the proof and numbers here--- So why do people have this mental block about the tiny minority of Muslims who do the same, tainting the vast majority of peaceful followers of their faith? And why does it appear that a disproportionate number of those people with the mental block are Americans?---How many soldiers in Europe have pulled out a gun, shouted the equivalent of "In the name of Jesus" while murdering fellow soldiers?---

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OK let's do this one more time: Muslims use the Koran as the reason, and the only reason they need, for their indiscriminate killing.
No other religion murders women and children because verses of their holy book tells them to.

Some one, you, earlier said that Christians killed people because the Bible tells them to, now give me the numbers of people killed by Christians who did it because the Blble told them to do it
You cannot use the Crusades, which is the usual response, unless you can prove they did it because the Bible, (not to forget the insulting of Mohammed is reason enough for murder) told them to.

If the numbers are not similar, and the reason for the killing similar, then there is no comparison and the Christian analogy is bogus, based on varying levels of bias.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Go to post 183 and then how I responded to Dave's statement and then how Henner respondeded to my response and then how I respondededed to Henner's incorrrect reading of my responses and then....

It will tell you how it got to this point.

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Maybe you would also like to inform us how you got to the point of writing words like 'respondeded' and 'respondededed'? Are each of these successively more important or longer responses?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Christians = 7,267,467
Muslims = 7,267,467

God just told me this although I didn't ask which one.

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Nice try bunky.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Maybe you would also like to inform us how you got to the point of writing words like 'respondeded' and 'respondededed'? Are each of these successively more important or longer responses?

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Because if I had actually finished the sentence it would have been up to- respondededededed or thereabouts.
It was ededed enough.

If this Riebe-show is anything to go by, heaven must be full of nutters ! :laugh:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

If this Riebe-show is anything to go by, heaven must be full of nutters ! :laugh:

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Repetitiveiveiveiveive nutters.

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

How do you rationalize execution and war even if it is for your own defense when it clearly states "Thou shalt not Kill". I don't see anything about killing murderers or collateral damage victims such as those in all the wars and violence since time immemorial.

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'Thou shalt not kill" means "Thou shall not kill another Jew"

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I thought some of this seemed a bit eloquent, so did a quick search for your words and found your opinions, and some of the phraseology, to have been lifted in large part from this website:

TheReligionofPeace - Games Muslims Play

For instance: 'But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first.' I somehow doubt that words such as 'abrogate' feature that heavily in your everyday language. And you have the gall to accuse all Muslims of lacking intelligence for following the Koran!

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Blind quoting typifies fanatics of all colours. When you speak to them face to face you can almost see their eyes glaze over as they subcontract out their thinking processes to someone else.

Sadly this thread shows that fanatics come from all faiths including atheists. Frankly I'm a little surprised that the Christian fundies on this thread are still alive, what with 1.6 billion bloodthirsty Muslims after them life must be pretty exciting.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

'Thou shalt not kill" means "Thou shall not kill another Jew"

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Is that why Berkowitz (sic) is still alive?

Bob, the Crusades were an example of Christianity (the word of the Bible) being spread in a violent, militaristic manner.

What did he say?

Meek!, Blessed are the meek. Oh, that's nice, cos they have hell of a time..........

If you ask me it's the meek that are the problem.

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Originally Posted by salarcon

It's incredibly sad how few people really know the true Islam today.

Islam teaches many things and that includes justice, love, preserving family blood ties, brotherhood, kindness to one's parents, and the list goes on.

Many people in the West confuse the real teachings of Islam with the stupid behavior of extremists who have the audacity to call themselves muslims. Real muslims do not kill innocent people. But these terrorists use any excuse to justify their foolish actions.

Then there are those who use the following terms: "radical islam" or "islamic radicalism," or "islamic terrorists" which in reality have nothing to do with Islam. Why? Islam does not support any kind of radical, terrorist, or extremist behavior.

Another point that many people in the West confuse: Sunna with Shia sect. The "muslims" from Iran practice a version of Islam which isn't truly Islam. There was a split of who should have been the first muslim leader after Muhammad's death. Some believed that Muhammad(PBUH) wanted Ali Ibn Abi Talib to become the first Caliph. Ali's supporters became the shia sect. And the Sunni is the majority of muslims today. The Sunni is the practices of Prophet Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him) which are the examples that he set forth in order to give future Muslims a clear guidance in how to behave in everyday life. This is the true Islam.

People are confusing politics with religion, and that is why most people today cannot get a truer picture of the real Islam.

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You should be careful whom you lable a terrorist. I mean, President Bush used the thread of WoMD as an excuse to justify his invasion of Iraq. These terrorists believe they are doing the right thing, just like Bush did. Who here dares call Bush a terrorist? I do! By his own definition, he himself is a terrorist. He believes he is right, "extremists" believe they are right. It's a viscious circle that never ends and the truth is that no one is right.

I can see it happening all over again with Iran. The US are squeezing their economy to within an inch of its life. It's all going to go go bust up and so the wheel turns and it all begins again etc.

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Originally Posted by Mark

If you ask me it's the meek that are the problem.

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Or the big noses :p

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

If the numbers are not similar, and the reason for the killing similar, then there is no comparison and the Christian analogy is bogus, based on varying levels of bias.

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Again this obsession with numbers! I can only repeat: If Religion A is resonsible for less deaths than Religion B, it doesn't follow that A is "better" than B. It simply means that a handful of followers of both faiths have used their religion for evil ends. A minority of Muslims subvert their holy text to justify behaviour we find offensive, illegal or immoral; but it's also true that so do a minority of Christians. Whether one group outnumbers the other, and by how many, is hardly the point.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Again this obsession with numbers! I can only repeat: If Religion A is responsible for less deaths than Religion B, it doesn't follow that A is "better" than B. It simply means that a handful of followers of both faiths have used their religion for evil ends. A minority of Muslims subvert their holy text to justify behavior we find offensive, illegal or immoral; but it's also true that so do a minority of Christians. Whether one group outnumbers the other, and by how many, is hardly the point.

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Methinks some brain matter will be used just to understand the true logic of your point. You will then be hit with words such as "rhetoric" "bias" and his now "nothing comes from nothing" argument.

I know I am a new person here but Bob, why on earth are you so intolerant of logic. If you really believe your posts and retorts, to some of the responses to yours are full of intellectual

observations I am sorry for you. You actually inferred that Dawkins, the pre-eminent evolutionary scientist in the world is not bright then I fear your wattage is very low indeed.

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

Methinks some brain matter will be used just to understand the true logic of your point. You will then be hit with words such as "rhetoric" "bias" and his now "nothing comes from nothing" argument.

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I think we could almost put together a response from Bob by cutting and pasting from all his previous posts on the topic.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think we could almost put together a response from Bob by cutting and pasting from all his previous posts on the topic.

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Well do you expect the religious people to get any new evidence for their argument?

Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?

Obama used it in the health care bill.

Now isn't this interesting? It is used in the health care law.

Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and start reading.
Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill.
I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists.. It is a REAL word.

Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through
jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their
presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States.
Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and
also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling",
"risk-taking", and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption
based on this.

How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets,
including real estate, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because
I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such
penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance.
Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. This is Dhimmitude.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?

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Is any of the chain e-mail true?

Health Care Bill Establishes Dhimmitude, Which Exempts Moslem Participation by Granting Them Jurisdiction in the U.S.-Fiction!

FactCheck.org : “Dhimmitude” and the Muslim Exemption

Are Muslims Exempt from ObamaCare Insurance Mandate? - Urban Legends

Another cut and paste job from fousto with no fact checking. Must try harder. Myth busted.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Dhimmitude -- What does it mean?

Obama used it in the health care bill.

Now isn't this interesting? It is used in the health care law.

Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and start reading.
Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill.
I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists.. It is a REAL word.

Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through
jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their
presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States.
Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and
also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling",
"risk-taking", and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption
based on this.

How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets,
including real estate, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because
I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such
penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance.
Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. This is Dhimmitude.

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If you are going to post on what is quite a complex topic, at least do the rest of us the decency of doing so in your own words — or stating that you've cut-and-pasted your contribution from somewhere else, rather than passing it off as your own.

"Dhimmitude" is a great example of how a good propagandist can whip up the masses .

Although surprising , in that it has three syllables , it sounds a bit like "attitude" , so will be easy to pronounce for those eating thier chicken fried steak , biscuits and gravy .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

"Dhimmitude" is a great example of how a good propagandist can whip up the masses .

Although surprising , in that it has three syllables , it sounds a bit like "attitude" , so will be easy to pronounce for those eating thier chicken fried steak , biscuits and gravy .

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Devouring might be a better noun for your example? ;)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

If you are going to post on what is quite a complex topic, at least do the rest of us the decency of doing so in your own words — or stating that you've cut-and-pasted your contribution from somewhere else, rather than passing it off as your own.

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In fairness, it's glaringly obvious that Roamy's post is cut and paste. I don't see was any need for him to spell it out there.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

In fairness, it's glaringly obvious that Roamy's post is cut and paste. I don't see was any need for him to spell it out there.

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Of course it's glaringly obvious, but if I quote from another source I make it clear. The same seems to be true of most members.