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words are for free...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Was he ever? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I don`t think it`s fair to blame all on the DMacks, if you would know the actual difference between DMacks and Michelin on back to back testing with WRC cars, all other manufactorers except Citroen has done and are doing this(that`s not even a big secret) you`d be surprised how close they really are, in some conditions even faster!Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted
Also bear in mind that Ketomaas teams Fiesta is not full spec factory car. Of course he can`t be as fast a driver as the works guys either due to limited time in a WRC!
At minimum, 1s/km slower...Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
Is it any different than Ostbergs and Novikovs cars ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
We`ll engine mapping, damper homologations, some specific differential parts not to be confused with different diff setups, some weightdistribution stuff etc. lots and lots of small things make one big thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
And I`m not saying that Ketomaa would win in a similar car but I know for a fact that there are for instance these differences between Ketomaas car and the works cars.
Also M-sport cars have much more updates than "private" cars! Basically if you get the good stuff Malcolm has to be able to control that no one else can see it...
Rumours say that Mads and Novikov get better parts for Finland. I heard it from a reliable source.
In this video (WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 - Vascão (Vip zone) - YouTube) you can see the difference between Ketomaa and the others.
He is the only driver to lift on that corner after the slow righ hander. Bear in mind that I think the car was working good in this stage.
[quote="Francis44"]In this video (WRC Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012 - Vascão (Vip zone) - YouTube) you can see the difference between Ketomaa and the others.
He is the only driver to lift on that corner after the slow righ hander. Bear in mind that I think the car was working good in this stage.[/QUOTE
Wasn`t he driving with Michelins in Portugal??
That's how it was, the DMack team drove on Michelins in Portugal, check it out if you whish, I'm sure it's even here in the archives!
Prokop drove the same car in Argentina and posted better times than Ketomaa can dream forQuote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
It is very nice to see that when a driver fails it is always the car...
That was more due to nominated tyre compound than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Anybody who pays can buy the Homologation papers. EVERY part on the car must be in the homologation papers with a description and a photgramph and/or a drawing, and a part number.Lengths, weights, tooth counts, everything---unless everything has changed since when World Rally Car rules became the norm.. I have Homologation papers for my old saab for Groups 1, 2, 4 and GroupA, i have Ford Capri Group 1,2 and 4 and I have Opel Kadett GSI 16v, and have spent some pleasant time looking at World Rally Car Escort Cosworth.. and writing down things (like +10mm longer connecting rod than the old Sierra or '93 spec Escort Cosworth, something I was glad to see)Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
Have they done away with Homologation papers now? They can't have.
Yes everybody can pay IF someone sells...That`s how it works at M-sport! A car can several homologations for same parts!Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Yes there have been problems with tyres. Yes there have been problems with the car, with the setup, with the engine mapping. But still, at some point I would have wished at least ONE top stage time for Ketomaa. I have to say I wished more from him. If he is not able to deliver something outstanding at NORF, I'm afraid it's all over from him. If not already :mark:
I couldn't agree more!
Kruuda's livery for NORF:
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It is over long long time ago for him... doing good in Finalnd means nothing anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I'm afraid you are right about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Looks a bit like a touring car.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Lappi testing for Finland.Nice video!!
Esapekka Lappi preparing for Rally Finland 2012 - YouTube
Most likely two entry cancellations coming after Saturday's FRC event in Kouvola and hard crashes which happened. Annala had a bad roll after a jump (car landed copletely on the nose and started to roll rear-front-rear-front...) and car is destroyed. Kaisanlahti had a really nasty off, went off and hit a tree stump, 100+ kph to 0 in less than a second, engine came into cabin etc. Both taken to hospital. I'll write a bit more tomorrow to the FRC thread when I have time.
O.K. AUTO SM RALLI Kouvola 2012 - YouTube -- From this clip you can see Annala´s heavy roll after jump...
OK Ralli 14.07.2012 EK 4 - YouTube -- Here is Kaisanlahti.. Very heavy impact :(
Meh..really bad impact.
They both look bad but the latter one is terrible :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinke1979
Did anyone order tickets online and if so have you received them yet? I am sure many people who are local pick them up somewhere but I wanted to insure I got them and they still have not arrived. I leave the US in just over 10 days so I am starting to get worried.
Also, right now my plan is to drive to our hotel in Laukaa then possibly drive back for SS3 at night.
On Friday we are looking at catching SS4 and then SS6. We also though about sticking around for SS8 but that would require us driving back by our hotel in Laukaa. Any thoughts or advice? We need to be back to Helsinki later afternoon on Friday and I am not sure how it is at rally's like this driving between stages and parking? Is it mostly all well groomed dirt roads between stages - I know that seems horrible to ask since I am attending a rally (lol) but I will driving my brand new Volvo and I can't return it back to the factory for shipment to the US with any "damage":-)
Just to make sure I understood. You arrive thursday 2nd to Helsinki, plan to drive to your hotel at Laukaa, then drive back south to catch stage 3 Mynnilä?( it's going to be late when you finally get to sleep) Then, on friday morning head to stages 4 and 6, possibly drive north to SS8 which starts at 1.32 pm and then try to get back to Helsinki at late afternoon?? It's not going to happen. First of all, there are basicly two different routes to Helsinki, at both sides of lake Päijänne. If you are on a tight schedule, I'd strongly recommend you forget SS8 and choose your way back after SS6. The reason is that there are a PLENTY of others also on the roads. That weekend police will be monitoring speedlimits so from SS6 I would say it'll take about 2,5hrs at least to Helsinki.Quote:
Originally Posted by CellarDoor
The roads between the stages are dirt roads but depending how you approach them, you may get relatively close via tarmac roads. The dirt roads are in good shape, not too many bumps so from that point you don't have to worry about your brand new Volvo ;) Of course, if you're not able to stick in between the ditches..... :p BUT, I would like to point out again, those stages are very popular and there are plenty of people with cars in that area so there will be waiting in lines etc.
Every year folks explode their heads because they get frustrated when they realize they are not going to make to stages in time ... because they make too tight schedules. Some members here probably still remember my awesome shortcut through the small roads. :D
My advice is that don't make too big of a bite. And remember that if the routes and timetables on rally guide look possible, it is just theory. You need time on stages as well in order to look a perfect spot for your rally experience :)
Thanks AFF, your are probably right; after looking at the actual distances it's not going to happen. I think SS8 is out of the question but it sounds like trying to make SS4 and 6 might be tight too? The only reason we decided to drive back to SS3 is because originally we planned to hit SS1 on the way north to Helsinki on the way to Laukaa but didn't realize how much later SS1 started (as we get into Helsinki on the ferry shortly after 6am). We then decided me might drive to our hotel and spend some time there - maybe catch a nap before heading out to the night stage. Seems like we might be doing lots of traveling that night though - how much time (each way) to drive from Laukaa to SS3?
It sounds like it might be a better idea for us to hang out in Helsinki a bit in the morning before heading north to SS1 - would you estimate that taking approx 1.5 hours? After SS1 we can travel on to our hotel in Laukaa with the possibility of getting there by 20:00? Maybe later? I guess we'll have to decide how much sleep we want.
Pardon my ignorance with how the rally runs and spectating works, I am used to US Rallys which are much less spectated and spectating areas are usually at the finish or start so everyone is parked up the road at start or finish and that is it. You can hike into the woods a bit but certain stages are not even open to spectators so it is harder for me to wrap my head around how this works but I,m sure I can just follow the crowds :-) Is there a good spectating map I can pick up when I arrive in Finland?
BTW..I made this post today and got home and my two Rally passes were in the mail!
First of all, summer here in Finland means that the sun won't go down until very late for a short period of time. So, even the stages start late in the evening doesn't mean that they will be driven in the dark. You only drive back to your hotel dark :)
You have estimated the times pretty well. From Helsinki to SS1 it'll take about 1,5hrs depending the traffic as well as from your hotel to SS 3. That probably take a little bit more because many travelling from north will take the same route as you will.
You may buy an official rally guide from Neste Oil gas stations in which are very good stage guides, including parking and spectating directions. Don't worry, there are about a million of NESTE stations all over Finland. After you have parked you car, you may find a way to the official spectating point or you may follow the stage in the woods and find yourself a better spot ;) There will be marshalls who moderate the stage, some of them are friendly, some of them are not. Don't worry, none of them carry a gun :D . As long as your own spectating point is in a safe place, the marshalls probably won't say anything. The stage is closed an hour before the stage starts and after that you must hike in the woods, not on the stage. This is the reason I recommend a flexible timetable. When you reach the stage and have parked your car, it is very good if you have time to locate a perfect spectating point of your own. At official spectating areas there are services, tents where they sell MAKKARA, sausages, coffee etc.
Your plan to get SS4 and SS6 seem realistic unless you want to see all the cars. If you skip the latter part of the cars, you can make it easily from SS 4 to SS6.
One good hint is to listen the rally radio where there are directions and news conserning the rally, trafficjams, parking jams also in english. It's usefull when you have a plan to find a certain parking area and it's allready full. They usually warn that in the rally radio.
Depends on the location and marshall. In a crowded place it's a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Yes it is. But of course folks use the stage, especially if the marshalls won't see. The use of common sense is highly recommenned. They send zero cars before the first WRC, when those pass you by, it's better to be on the spot already. It's not only your own safety but if the marshalls see that spectators are not in proper places, the stage might be in jeopardy. The official spectating points are usually very crowded so IMO it's better to find a place of your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Oh and btw.... there are two different rally guides on sale. The official is Tuulilasi magazine and the unofficial is VM magazine which used to be official many year. I haven't seen Tuulilasi edition but VM is very good. YOu can find them for instance Neste Stations. ( Neste should give me free diesel for year for this promotion ;) )
VM (vauhdin maailma) Rally Guide is out today, last 20years this has been the official one.
This year Tuulilasi Rally Guide is the official one and it will be out tomorrow 18.7
Both cost about 8€, so get them both
They sell them everywhere, gas stations, food stores and also in Helsinki Airport and Ferries to Finland
You will Find all the info you need in those magazines, written in English also.
Rally HQ and servicepark are easy to visit we and thu, little bit harder fri and sat.
There is many parkinghouses near servicepark, max 10min walking.
Could someone tell me, where is this turn of the SS Ruuhimaki?
Neste Oil Rally Finland 2011 Shakedown - YouTube
Many thanks.
Nearly end of the stage, very easy to get there.
Thanks HarriK.
Maybe here is a TEBOIL petrol station near the 9 road.
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Originally Posted by HarriK
After a quick glance, the VM guide looks good. Stagemaps are precise "orienteering maps" and it also has a big complete rally route map. Though it feels that VM is completely pointed to Finnish spectators as it doesn't contain anything in English... Some nice fill stories e.g. big Ouninpohja story and some interviews.
Yes, the place is easy to reach from that junction. But ofcourse there is going to be lots of people, so possibly car has to be parked a bit further away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salist