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That was seen a lot during rally Finland and also already rally Estonia. In fact I saw this already in Tallinn before rally Estonia.
For me it is quite stupid behaviour. Once Tänak was cursed in Estonia now everybody already crown him already as a champion. We'll see as the competition is very high and a lot can change in a short period of time so I see this as a very utter stupidity. Lot of estonian fans already start to disrespect other drivers in various forums which is not very nice. But I guess that's how the human nature works for 90% of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Totally agree on both points:Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
- too early, lots of things can happen
- screaming "Tanak best others suck" is retarded, specially since he has 0 titles atm and likely drives the fastest car
(FYI I wasn't a fan of Ogier in VW days by any means and thought it was a lot about the car, but the two titles in Fiesta (especially the one in 2017), have shown that he has an incredible ability to get good points even when things are not perfect so now I am quite a fan of him. I am not quite there with Tanak)
Lol, where does it scream others suck?
Quite an imagination
I agree it’s stupid but only because Ott isn’t world champion yet. On the other hand it shows how much Estonian fans believe in it and how much they support.
Maybe you should read what I am responding to before writing...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
If Tänak would disappear from WRC next year, over 50% of those supports wouldn't bother to even follow a WRC event.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yes and that’s how it is with everything in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
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Originally Posted by mknight
Explain me then, please
Cali writes:
I write:Quote:
Lot of estonian fans already start to disrespect other drivers in various forums which is not very nice.
...and you say the sign on the car doesn't say that.Quote:
screaming "Tanak best others suck" is retarded
No shit, we can all read 2 words can't we? I was referring to "other fans in various forums", which I quoted.
Have you seen estonian rally fb groups lately? If you read carefully my post I'm saying that some abnoxious behaviour has been spotted there lately. That describes the whole majority's mindset very well. And this sticker describes it as well. While I also want to believe that Ott will be crowned as a world champion one day (the sooner the sweeter) I'm far for believing that the fight is already half-over. And dissing Neuville (in fb forums) in every step of the way is also abnoxious. I like the 2019 edition Neuville a lot more vs 2018 and enjoying the 3-way fight. What a time to be a rallyfan!Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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It's not an Estonian thing. I've noticed identical things with fan groups of Neuville since 2017. Any form of objectivity is missing from those fans, also respect towards other drivers is quite rare... I choose to avoid those kind of facebook discussions, fortunately this forum is a better place to follow the sport. :)
Shame that one of those three muskeeters isn't in the mix aswell: Meeke, Latvala & Mikkelsen.
No, im not following those groups at all, for the exact reasons you named. And like tommeke says, its not only a estonian thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Absolutely agreed, people here are a lot more fun and understanding. So good to be here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Please, if one retard misbehaves somewhere, he/she does not represent entire nation, fanclub or community. It's just one retard, no conclusions.
Now, this sticker "#TänakJärveoja, WRCchamp2019" - I can see it as "declaration of hope" or dream or something like that. Usual fanboy stuff.
And if people lose their arguments from "conversation", it turns to blind believing and religion. No point to have "conversation" with those...
Personally I feel that Estonian rally audience is quite educated, they know a lot of background information etc. It's almoust impossible to ignore rally-related news, because those are everywhere.
btw, it's a bit offtopic here already :)
My big fat gipsy weddingQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
No, no, no. It's quite on-topic more than ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
but whatabout BLOCK!!! America's Rally SUPERSTAR!!!!! the best EVER!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
A TRUE GOD!!! [/typicalblockfanvoice off]
Finnish rally fans are a different breed. Most people just keep mocking Latvala year after year.
Maybe we're so accustomed to having multiple factory drivers year after year. It would be so different to look at the sport through one single driver.
totally agreed. second year in a row on Rally Finland we try to cheer up your guys at the stages, that Latvala is on the podium, but all the answers are like: "meh, its worthless, he is a nobody now, Kalle and Teemu are good boys and the future!"Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
its crazy how much people already are cheering and loving Kalle there, it feels like they are almost certain he will be a champion one day.
You don't know what you have till it's gone. Finnish rally fans will learn that the hard way.
Yep. Talking about being ahead of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Kalle phenomenon attracts mostly sports fans that are slightly interested in rallying, relates heavily to the Finnish heritage of success and also value any sport only by the recent success in it by the countrymen. While on Rally Finland stages, Kalle's name was heard the most of times, but for the real die hard rally fans, it's more down to earth. Of course we believe in his talent and that the talent could bring success, but we also know that one doesn't win championships by just turning in. OK, Ott and Kalle have greatly different backgrounds to rallying, but while Ott is now (and have been for few years) on the top of his game, this topic with that subject title was started already in 2011. There are no straight fastforward ways to the absolute top.
Kalle is already a household name in Finland. Football and ice hockey aside, all sports crave for those kind of cash cows. As you wrote, if it wasn't for Kalle, some of the people spectating Rally Finland might have stayed at home. Small percentage of those Kalle fans will hopefully turn into "real" rally fans at some point, so it's a win-win.Quote:
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They paved Paradise, and put up a parking lot*..Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Great Joni Mitchell song!
Great because its so true..
* last weekend whole family we were up hiking at Paradise between 1600 to 2000m
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Sorry, OT :D Thought you were going to be talking about Pikes Peak....Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
No, that was a tragedy and a loss but realistically its just one very wide and very fast stage..so smooth it may as well have been ass-fault..Quote:
Originally Posted by swanny
And since most Americans are not interested in a driving challenge and never have been (in any great numbers) making it ass-fault the whole way to the top means
everybody can do what Americans want to to and do do so well: look at shiny "stuff" somebody else has bought...lots of shiny stuff and lots of overweight guys talking about the shiny stuff somebody else bought and how totally awesome the person who bought the shiny stuff is on the podcast...and never forgetting to tell you every 15-17 minutes that the event is the most awesome-est car race in the world...all the while talking to the camera telling you how awesome it is while not showing you no, while walking around looking at camera.*
*I swear to God I just saw something exactly like this just yesterday only it was my old sport I did for so long which is moto-cross...Its 50 year anniversary of racing at what is really the best American mx track, Unadilla, in New York state...scene of many hard fights, scene of many World Championship events.. 30m + of a guy strolling the pits "Hey howya doing? Awesome!" and eventually strolling a part of the famous track--with camera aimed directly at the guy 99% of the time..with him TELLING you endlessly "It was so awesome"
Not showing you with old clips of notable races or even famous photos of the men who raced..
A talking head talking about what others men have done...and telling you how awesome the machines were "They were awesome"
Perfect American media production..
As an Estonian rally fan and also a big fan of Tänak, I feel quite often in here that some guys go too far. It's okay to love Tänak, but sometimes it feels like some users are IN LOVE with him.
I will try to explain, why Ott Tänak is so popular in Estonia.
First of all, we are quite tiny country, around 1,3 million people, out of which about 1 million are Estonians.
We don't have internationally famous bands, artists, movie stars, so top athletes are our best known celebrities.
Like I said, Estonia is a small country and every athlete who reaches the top level, will become very popular in Estonia.
In the late 80s-early 90s, most popular athlete was Erika Salumäe who won 2 Olympic golds in track cycling. She has been chosen 9 times as the Athlete of the Year in Estonia. Okay, she had nice achievements, but track cycling is nothing that would attract the masses. In Estonia, I don't know anyone else who has even tried track cycling, beside the 2 times Olympic winner Ms. Salumäe.
Then we had decathlete Erki Nool, who won the olympic gold in 2000. Decathlon is an extremely tough sports to do, also not very popular. But during that time, everyone in Estonia was an expert in decathlon and knew how to calculate the points.
From the late 90s until 2010 Cross-country skiing was immensely popular in Estonia, our athletes got multiple gold medals from the winter olympics and I remember that when I was in high school, school was cancelled for one day, so everyone could watch our top skiiers fight for the medals in 2006 Turin winter olympics. These years are now considered taboo and big national shame, as the success was most probably fueled by doping - main skiiers found good lawyers and were never convicted, but now one reallt doubts their guilt.
From 2000 to 2005 we had Markko Märtin in WRC. Rally has always been very popular, even in the soviet times. And when Markko started getting good results in WRC, first Estonian rallymania started. Our most successful athletes had been either very strong or with a good stamina, Markko was the first one to prove that Estonians can be trusted to operate a really fast machinery at really high speed. And he was the first one to really earn big money. Markko had something mysterious about him - really quiet, rarely giving interviews, nothing known about his private life. Also the tragic end of his career only added to his legend. He has been influential in the rally circles even after retiring and has had a huge role in the Ott's success. He is also a successful businessman and that earns respect in the eyes of Estonians.
Then we had discus thrower Gerd Kanter. He was really popular, very consistent and result oriented, 12 medals from big title competitions, his personal best marks the 3rd best result of all time. Also a very intelligent and pleasant person, a really good role model for everyone. He stopped his career recently and is still very much respected in Estonia. But once again, discus throwing is not really a sport for the masses.
Maybe the most surprising one is the story of Baruto. Estonian guy who ended up being one of the top sumo wrestlers. From 2004-2013 every Estonian sports fan knew the words sekiwaki, Ōzeki, yokozuna etc. His career was unfortunately ended by a nasty knee injury. He is still a celebrity in Japan and Estonia, but his recent foray into politics will probably tarnish his star.
We've had 1 guy in NBA (not too successful), 1 guy in NFL (moderately succesful, at some point every Estonian sports fan was following US football league), 1 top footballer (2 year in Liverpool, but not too often in the starting lineup).
And now it's the era of Ott. Even if he never becomes world champ, he will remain a huge star in Estonia. We don't really have any other succesful athletes at the moment (1 javelin guy might become, but once again, not too popular sports discipline). Estonians had been yearning for a new WRC driver since Markko's retirement. We had Urmo Aava for a while, but he was not that good. Everyone had huge expectations for Ott, then he fucked up...twice...so now, when he is at his peak and driving a fast car, every Estonian is happy. And since we have now online media, social media etc, the craze around Ott is much bigger than it was for Markko. I also think that Ott's rough start in WRC has supported his popularity - he used to be the ridiculed underdog, and now he is the top guy, calling the shots, posing with Akio Toyoda, driving F1 and earning big buck. I think Estonians are genuinly happy for him, which is a rare thing, as Estonians are not the friendliest of people.
Long story short - we are a tiny nation and desperate for heroes. Now Ott is our hero.
What is too far? Not trying to argue, just honestly curious as I'm not in any Estonian rally community and ignore the comment section in news articles, for obvious reasons.. In my opinion too far is hurting the sport or athlete, not "calling names".Quote:
Originally Posted by robertr
Obviously badmouthing Ogier and especially Neuville seems to be popular among Estonians, but there's no other driver that has been bullied by Estonian "fans" more than Tänak himself.
The wait is almost over!
Ott Tänak Movie is going global on October 1st on VOD:
tanakmovie.com
The film is translated into 9 languages.
Fasten your seatbelts and get ready for the ride!
https://tanakmovie.com/?fbclid=IwAR1...to2uGjhTLR7M_I
Now available to watch online!
https://netikino.ee/?page=movie&id=6
5.90 euros and available for 48h. Very reasonable price to me..
i definitely recommend it. I think you get to know him better.
It isnt anything special but not bad either, the grandma scene alone is worthful to watch IMO :D. and the Latvala scenes (especially the one where he is explaining like a mad man some things to Tänak on Rally Mexico recce, and Tänak just says "NO" with his stoneface)
and of course some very hard moments, Wales the most obvious one, still hard to watch.
Ott Tänak Movie
11 mins ·
We are most pleased about the massive worldwide interest in the movie about Ott that caused the payment system of the website tanakmovie.com to crash upon its launch earlier today. The payment provider is aware of the problem and by now has restored the services of the payment system.
Thank you all for notifying us and thanks for your patience!
anyone who already got access knows if there is a way to save the video or you need to be online to watch? I believe online only option, but would like to confirm as tomorrow on the plane will have time to watch, but there of course no internet access. Thanx!
Started watching it just after arriving back from work .... just finished it now. Starving now cuz didnt want to pause it. Loved it ... truly one of the best rally docs ive seen.
Saw it yesterday. It is great. Really interesting to see "behind the scenes" of WRC, interactions between the drivers and Tanak's grandma is really cool :]] Wish we had more such documentaries. Also left me with a strange feeling, kind of regret that I never became a rally driver because it is really inspiring.
I will try to watch it tonight, been waiting for it
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Can anyone see full article behind the paywall here and perhaps summarize? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/fea...-championship/
there's an option to read one article free if you create the account, type in some random email and pw and you get to read it (they dont even ask to confirm your email)Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
I recommend to watch Tänak movie with your girlfriend/wife. If she is not in to the topic (yet), she may understand the sport better, but also needs some background information. Aa'la who-is-who and what are relations behind there. For example history between Wilson and Tänak.