Lewis comes across like a spoiled prick in that interview. He should take some interview lessons from Kimi, and just keep his mouth mostly shut. :D
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Lewis comes across like a spoiled prick in that interview. He should take some interview lessons from Kimi, and just keep his mouth mostly shut. :D
Hamilton has his car half up the the side of the Ferrari but Massa has already made a move to the left before Hamilton gets there. He makes another move to the left after Hamilton has stuck it up the inside. Hamilton must have seen Massa moving left and decided to chuck it up the inside anyway. Pause it at the 15 second mark, just before the two cars collide. I don't think Massa has anywhere to go. If he goes right he tags Webber left rear with his front wing, which is something that happens anyway when the Ferrari is pushed to the right after the impact with the McLaren. Massa could have given Hamilton more room but Hamilton was being way too optimistic to think that pass was going to stick. Even if he had passed the Ferrari Massa had the line for the next right hander and Hamilton would have had to fall in behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Hamilton should know by now he can't do that with Massa. It's quite usual to see an overtaking on Massa ending up with a contact. He doesn't know how to defend or went to quit. It's a deadly combination.
Your last sentence is exactly what I have said earlier in this thread. If only Massa had been a bit more patient, taken the usual line at Loews, given Lewis a bit more room, he still would have gotten ahead at Portier damage free and would have been the car ahead entering the tunnel. Also agreed that Lewis was a bit too eager. Racecraft error from both drivers there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
I watched onboard videos of a lot of cars going through Loews, and it seems the only proper line is what the Torro Rosso and Webber took through there, otherwise you come out too close to the barriers on the right and you've gotta go extra wide on the left to make the apex for the next right hander. Like I said before, Massa was too far back to attempt an overtaking move on Webber, so it seems that he only moved early to block Hamilton. At which point Hamilton's front wing was already at Massa's sidepods. Also, Massa touched the back of Webber because Hamilton punted him, again as a result of Massa turning in too soon. If he had given Lewis a BIT more room, both cars would have made the corner damage free and Massa would still have been ahead. Or he just simply had to yield because Lewis was halfway through the overtaking and was obviously a much faster car. That's what Rosberg and Lewis did when MS overtook them at the same corner. They didn't HAVE to yield, but they did, showing better racecraft and patience, while taking care of their car understanding that this is Monaco.
Great summarisation post. This is exactly what happened. Unfortunately it is all very easy for us to say this in hindsight. It should be a drivers natural race instinct to know where to place his car in the event of an overtaking maneouvre. The job of the car in front is to make it as tough as possible for his competitor to pass without them both touching. From Hamilton's point of view he was overly eager but from Massa's he clearly moved to block Hamilton, something he surely would have instinctively known was going to most likely end in contact. Either way both drivers were at fault but Hamilton was too far back to attempt and overtaking attempt on the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Personally, I feel Massa won't be at Ferrari for long more. He isn't quick anymore, he shows bad judgement. He then comes out and asks for harsher penalty against Hamilton when he himself was part responsible for the accident. He's not the same Massa we knew and loved in 2008 and 2009. Such a shame. I can't imagine Ferrari being patient with him much longer, he simply isn't performing.
Blah blah blah..... if only that guy hadn't been standing there when the bullet travelled through the same space that his head was occupying then he wouldn't be dead, it's clearly his fault he's dead not :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Actually, in this instance, it's more a case of "If only the guy hadn't moved into the path of the bullet as he saw it coming towards him". Let us get the analogy right please ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Is there anything that's happened in F1 in recent years that has been blown out of proportion quite as much as this? Stupid driver makes stupid comment and all of a sudden the sport is falling apart.
What it has got me thinking though is why do we expect drivers to be so professional and always toe the line? Why do we expect drivers to be like Jenson and always speak the corperate speak, rather than Hamilton or Webber who speak out against their team etc. Put aside the issue of Lewis always blaming others (which is just a genuine dellusion on his part), what's so bad about speaking out about the stewards and his team? The rest of us know that the stewards make some weird choices (largely to do with lack of consistency) and that McLaren made a few mistakes during that race, and at a number of times over the years. Why is it reasonable to expect Lewis, or whoever the driver may be, to suck it up and lie about it all?
Incidentally, I'm as guilty as anyone in this. I've moaned about Alonso and Webber blaming their teams in the past, and I still think it's classless, but how many of us can say that we've never had a whinge about our employers at one time or another?
Edit: Oh and loving the 'visitors found this page by searching for..' bit for this thread :D
You're missing the point, people shouldn't go around shooting at or around people...... just as drivers shouldn't try and send a rather hopeful one up the inside like Lewis did.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Blah indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
OT: Logitech and Microsoft suck serious monkey balls. I hope Microsoft buys Logitech and then goes bankrupt.
Yeah, definitely, drivers shouldn't try to overtake in a "race" ever. Someone should have told this to Damon Hill and Jacques Villenueve when they came to overtake the painfully slow moving Schumacher on the track. The resulting accidents were of course their fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Now with the latest penalties, stewards have pretty much guaranteed a procession at any track that doesn't allow overtaking. Fans must be so happy. :)
I think that the accusations made by Lewis are pretty appalling and deserve the reaction they got...Quote:
Originally Posted by barryfullalove
Ah yes, talking about other crap, the last refuge of a Hamilton fan who refuses to admit that his god did something wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Now I think you're missing the point. What you're effectively saying there is that drivers shouldn't try and overtake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
No I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
What you're effectively saying is that Lewis is a taco and Nicole is a tortilla. YES YOU ARE!!!!!!!
I already said he was too overeager going for the Massa move. Eyes-needed-to-read. However, blatant Lewis haters should also look at the two incidents unbiased, sadly something which will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Thing is I'm not a Lewis hater....Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfiel...E-FACEPALM.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
And I am Clint Eastwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
:down: for incorrect use of Facepalm.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
There are many instances within the last year or two where I've said good things or expressed disappointment when Lewis has had bad luck.....Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Do you feel lucky punk? Well, do ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Personally, I think that the stewards, given some of their poor stewarding over recent years, need to be served with a stop go penalty: They should be stopped from going to a race ever again.
Daniel should be sent instead, so he can issue penalties such as;
Fluff, rental truck, kitten, rolling countryside.........
.....blah blah ramaeulysees 3rd oops where's my thribble.....
As I said in other threads, other drivers did a lot of overtaking with no problems. Nobody crashed, nobody was hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
That's shocking to know, especially going by how you've been piling it on him since Sunday. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it. B-)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Not everybody who is appalled by Hamilton's driving in Monte is his hater. For me the accident with Massa was very problematic and I expect at least after the penalty for a driver to avoid dangerous moves. Pastor was also to blames, but, to compare situation to soccer, if you have a yellow card already, shouldn't you go a bit more carefully for the rest of the game?
Massa arrived at the scene of his own accident, learning the painfully hard lesson that a Ferrari that connot heat its tyres and marbles in the Monaco tunnel just don't mix. How many times now has a Ferrari exited that tunnel with a wonky wheel on the front? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I like it when drivers speak out. Beats the prim and proper corporate cr@p they spew out as well as the blank look and silent treatment the likes of Kimi used to dish out.Quote:
Originally Posted by barryfullalove
I like it when teams allow their drivers to speak out. Journalists deliberately seek out drivers immediately after the race when the adrenaline is still pumping but the physical excertion of driving has ceased, because they know feelings run high and the soundbites are so much better than a "no comment"Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
On a lighter note, who is off to the cinema this Friday?
Elaborate...Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
It wasn't an accusation, that's the point, he made a silly little comment in jest because he feels a bit victimised. Many F1 fans feel that the stewards and FIA have been biased in the past, so it seems logical that drivers feel the same. What Lewis said wasn't an actual claim that the stewards are racist, it was a spur of the moment quip that came across wrong. I personally thought that this was clear, although I guess it was inevitable that people would take it the wrong way and make a fuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
The real shame is that this has overshadowed a Monaco GP that actually had proper overtaking and was exciting to the end. What a sad case that one remark from a driver can take more attention than some top level racing.
Relase of Senna in the UK, which means I'll be trawling the South West to find a cinema that is showing it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Might not apply to SA residents, but 3rd June sees the release of Senna......Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
All this hoo ha over Hamilton, and not a mention about Sutil/Kobyashi at the corner before the hairpin.
Can't put my finger on why that is.........
It's correct you just don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
:up: Someone gets it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
:up: Forgot about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
No, you just don't understand what I said.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
I don't think either of you get it..... :p : ;)
DiResta might tend to think different.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Anyway, those of us who know and are willing to see that the Maldonado incident was clearly not Lewis's fault have done more then enough. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary to suggest Lewis did anything wrong. There has been video and picture evidence shown in this thread that clearly shows Hamilton was in the clear and correct to attempt and overtake.
I'm waiting for evidence from the anti-Hamilton brigade to show how he was wrong in the Maldonado incident. Those that say he took his normal line are wrong, he clearly didn't as that line is not used by any driver on a regular lap. I woudln't see a Junior Karter take that line.
So I put to those anti-Hamilton folks, show us evidence that conveys how Hamilton was wrong in the Maldonado incident. It's the same for the Massa incident really but clearly Lewis was a bit too opportunistic there but Massa did turn in on him taking an incorrect line into Loews.
It's like Senna said, "Because he is out front"Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko