Wikileaks

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

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Call me pathetic then. I have cried whenever I have lost a family member, a close friend of mine or one of my dogs.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Call me pathetic then. I have cried whenever I have lost a family member, a close friend of mine or one of my dogs.

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Well, how do you define crying? Are we talking about a few tears in your eyes tha you wipe away with your finger? When I buried my grandparents I had that.
More than that? Havent done that since I was maybe 6 or 7.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

I am not that paranoid, and beyond armed revolt, all the finger pointing in the world does no good..

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Sorry man, but my trust in mankind is about as good as my faith is in organized religion, and my confidence is in machines.

Yes, I do realize that Wikileaks isn’t absolute from error anymore than any other organization, but I don’t recognize it as much of a problem yet, as I do other organizations.

Hence that Wikileaks isn’t responsible for how this country shipwrecked its’ integrity, or it’s economy.

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Originally Posted by skc

... Condemning? I think it's utterly shamefull and a disgrace that justifies how the US has descended from being the Land of the Free and a beacon for free speech and expression to being regarded as the warmongers of the world and oppressors of justice...

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Don't worry. That opinion (over here) will change in due time. Sooner than most people care to think.

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Originally Posted by skc

I have seen the unedited version and it is shocking. Not just this but also the destruction of the building after this event with complete disregard of civillian casulaties.

Throuout all of this, there was never a shot fired by these men and the RPG that was identified was actually a long lense camera which shortly before the incident took a picture of a US Humme less than 100 yards away. There was no suggestion that these people had fired although there were some AK-47's held unfired by the men which I think is quite legal in Iraq.

There had been some insurgent activity in the general area from a rooftop based group which is what the copters were supposed to be looking for but this was obviously not the group.



Lack of press indentification????? The chopper couldn't differentiate between a RPG and a long lense camera, let alone a press pass. What were the reporters to do? Paint their asses red and flash them at the pilots to have a pot-shot at?

The area you mention is a residential place that people live in. Not some killing field and the suffering inflicted on those innocent children was caused by those American pilots firing on a man that had stopped to help the wounded.

Your attitude to those children strangly reflects the pilots who's comments were that it was the drivers fault for being there and not their fault for shooting them.



No, the order was given to evacuate the children to the US base at Rustamiyah but later this was countermanded and they were handed over to the Iraqi police to take to hospital.



FFS. You have journalists being murdered and blame them for not identifying themselves to a Helicopter despite them holding cameras and not RPG's. You have an unarmed father being murdered for daring to offer assistance. You have children being wounded and their injuries being blamed on their murdered father for being in an area the US decided to turn into a battle zone. You have dead bodied being run over and laughed about. You have helicopter pilots being allowed to fire missiles at buildings when it has been identified that civilians were in the firing line.

You have a gung-ho approach with no respect or regard for people that the US obviously regard as not worthy of thought or feeling. It's almost as if the US view the Iraq people as lesser species, worthy of contempt.

Condemning? I think it's utterly shamefull and a disgrace that justifies how the US has descended from being the Land of the Free and a beacon for free speech and expression to being regarded as the warmongers of the world and oppressors of justice.

Shame on you for perpetuating this view with defence of the indefensible :(

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your crappy and false view has already been discussed in another thread, a long time ago, and as usual, you completely and intentionally misrepresent the truth

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Originally Posted by AAReagles

Sorry man, but my trust in mankind is about as good as my faith is in organized religion, and my confidence is in machines.

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Hence that Wikileaks isn’t responsible for how this country shipwrecked its’ integrity, or it’s economy.

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sic transit gloria....all nations rise and fall, and these words of a future certain to be true, at some near point in time.

And so the day will come when America willl not be a superpower trying to protect the rest of the world from the wolves as it will no longer have the resouces, the wolves will feast, and so what?

At least I will not be seeing my friends, neighbors and relatives going off to die in some foreign land to keep a bunch of ingrates safe, while big corporations profit.

Let the North Koreans deal with their own monsters and if they do not have the willingness to deal with it, then tuff stuff for them. If North Korea or any other country wants to be an actual threat to the safety of the people in this country by killing people on our soil, nuke quick them without mercy.

Otherwise, quit trying to save the rest of the world....most do not deserve it anyway when they are not willing to stand up for themselves

Washington said stay away from Europe and its bloody wars, and we quit listening around 1900.....Time to listen again, close the doors to immigration which has escalated crime so much here, and let others stand up and fight or learn to speak chinese, russian, or bake in ovens or whatever

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Originally Posted by markabilly

... And so the day will come when America willl not be a superpower trying to protect the rest of the world from the wolves as it will no longer have the resouces, the wolves will feast, and so what?

At least I will not be seeing my friends, neighbors and relatives going off to die in some foreign land to keep a bunch of ingrates safe, while big corporations profit.

Otherwise, quit trying to save the rest of the world....most do not deserve it anyway when they are not willing to stand up for themselves

.....Time to listen again, close the doors to immigration which has escalated crime so much here, and let others stand up and fight or learn to speak chinese, russian, or bake in ovens or whatever

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Well I see someone else here has a bit of Marxist views as well. So much for capitalism eh?

Glad to hear another american tell it like it is. However I must say I do disagree with your bit about immigration.

Translation: NO ONE is better than anyone else. PERIOD! Everyone has the God-given right to feed their families... whether they're illegal or not!

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Originally Posted by AAReagles

However I must say I do disagree with your bit about immigration.

Translation: NO ONE is better than anyone else. PERIOD! Everyone has the God-given right to feed their families... whether they're illegal or not!

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Let them feed themselves where they are....they come here many with no respect, and expect the best, while contributing to increased crime.

maybe if that option were not available anymore, they would do what they need to do where they are.

I am not a marxist, because that is just another fanciful religion of silly idealists, and when implemented, has proven time again that it eats its young, worse than anything I have seen in the USA.

Of course as with any religion, the true beleivers will try to abandon these folks as backsliders or some form of non-beleiver or deviant from the true religion when things do not turn out to happy in never-nerver land....

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Originally Posted by AAReagles

Everyone has the God-given right to feed their families... whether they're illegal or not!

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There is no such thing as a God given right.

So if one to feed his family has to eradicate person or person's family, that is your God given "right?"

Stealing is against the Ten Commandments and any one illegally crossing a border and taking a job from a legal resident is stealing, so much for a God given "right."