Older but still great and they are still afraid of him! Which is good! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
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Older but still great and they are still afraid of him! Which is good! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Yes! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Mike is a solid pilot, his years of domination are over, but nothing he does now will take away what he has accomplished in the past. I think it's kind of cool that being a midfielder he still fights to his limits. To me it is a bonus that the man is back in the field. Only someone of his credentials could have said:Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
“OK I'm back give me a seat with the defending world championship team”.
Look how hard JV has tried and he can't even get a sniff. (And that is not a knock on the former WDC) As long as his name is associated with F1 is a good thing. It's kind of like Ferrari. They may not be the best or most ethical, but they are an F1 establishment with their downside considered, like Mike they add to F1's righteousness. Personally I'm grooving on Mike being back win or lose
End of......
Coughbull spluttersh!t.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I don't think its BS, I think Haug has also acknowledged this, although I don't think someone in Mercedes was intentionally doing it, they probably were setup errors, the race engineer change should help.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
If the cars are the same with only subtle differences in setup, how does one burn a hole in the floor and the other not? Is the floor on slick Mick's car physically bolted closer to the exhausts.......Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
I think Schumacher is correct when he says he's personal achievement is a mere 3 out of 6. He should work on his own performance and not criticise the team and car.
Well I guess if you'd have noticed in Spain, how far back was Rosberg compared to schumi, I'd assume your similar explanation would work? Car setups can make tremendous difference, and I really dont think he's making stuff up. We saw a lot of times that a improved chassis improving the times considerably in races, so it shouldn't be a surprise that his chassis had some problems during some of the races.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I agree but I think what mostly happened is Michael was trying to drive a naturally under steering car made for button, and he kept trying to change the setup to make the car suitable to his style, Michael was good at adapting, but who knows if he ever came a across a car so much different to his natural driving style. And he has aged and has been off for so long, but even then his raw pace is pretty good, I always noticed his first practice times were mostly better then rosberg, and I believe those times were set w/o changing the car setup a lot, and from second practice he'd become slower. I'm hoping to see a much better schumi in 2011, and car designed more towards his style, we could see some of his old magic!Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Lets face it- with a few exceptions, Schumacher is going to get a warm, fuzzy cuddle from the fanboys that inhabit practically any F1 forum/discussion, including this one.
I don't harbour these feelings. I am for the affirmative, in terms of the title of this particular thread. Yes, he should call it quits. He should never have come back in the first instance.
This year has gone a long way to tarnishing his reputation irreversibly, and his actions in some of the races towards his fellow drivers (most notably Rubens - a former team mate and sponsor of more than one WDC it could be argued) shows almost irrefutably that sportsmanship is still an alien concept to him.
Time to go and do something else now, Michael.
Yeah spout some bile, just let it get out, if it makes you feel better! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheFamousEccles
I thought it was not only the hole in the floor, but all the extra weight and trouble seeing....
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image..._crash_640.jpg
Something that you and I can agree on. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
As far as his legacy goes the only negative will be that he was a win at all cost pilot with a well deserved disqualification in 1997.
The vast majority will marvel at his 7WDC's and 91 f1 victories.
Deal with that.(Eccles) :s mokin:
firstly- not trying to start a fight, just merely adding my paltry 2c worth to the above named thread. Now...
@ Ioan - it's an opinion, not bile - that is something a lot different.
@ Alcatraz - Deal with what? That the fanboys will forgive any crappy behaviour just because it came from Schumacher? Meh... not really concerned either way. As an observer of F1, there are many others I would rate as greater than "He", and I stand by my belief that his best has past, and that he should not have come back.
Dealing with that, hmm? I guess not.
No I suppose you guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFamousEccles
You may quite possibly be in a minute segment of F1 fans.
That takes to his grave holding to the absurd opinion that making a lackluster comeback in his 40's
will have:
That's what!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaming Ecceles
Even if he had a crappy car this season MS driving skills show 2010 up as they belong to a driver in the lower midfield (atleast most of the races) Next year could be his last.
there is this story I remember from somewhere that when MS left Benetton, Alesi (and also maybe Berger) tried driving the MS car with set up exactly for that particular track as when MS used it to win a race from the prior season. There was so much oversteer that Alesi could not come anywhere close to matching his times, and found the car set up completely unsuitable and in his words "dangerous".
I Am sure Ioan or someone can find far more details than my old memory can ever remeber
My suspicion is that Nico will be much happier driving a car set up like button with understeer.
OTOH, I suspicion that Lewis would be much happier driving a car set up like MS likes it...
Twitchy, very quick steering, with plenty of oversteer.....rock and roll....so twitchy and responsive to the road and driver inputs that others might call it "dangerous" and too difficult to drive fast
The first tire tests showed Nico complaining (too much oversteer) and not doing well, while MS was loving it and setting second fastest time.
So who next season, will have the car best suited for their driving style??
My personal opinion is that the fastest is often the more "dangerous" style for many tracks (but now, one also has to deal with the tire wear issue, soooooo)
that's right... he's been so slow this year because he's just so awesome... i wonder why I didnīt think of that?
Everything as is, but just one year is good enough for the haters to undermine the rest of 16yrs where few people came close to the level he was on.
JV has come out and said MS in now on par with Nico. Sh!t you know I believe JV so I may be eating a lot of words next year.
I feed ya with a side order of fries :p :
Please go on schumi... 2011 will be even better than 2010 :p :
Well, there is no love lost between these two, is there? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
I would say any lingering animosity is one sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Well; he's gone!
Who, Schumacher?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
About time :D
better eating words than eating sh$t, even catchup don't cut the "used" tasteQuote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Who's gone?
Schumacher - off the boil apparently......Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaparral66
Do you mean he's quitting Mercedes? Just did a check on Google and could find nothing. Last time any rumor was running around about that, Eddie Jordon was trying to get something started, and that was back in Sept. of 2010.
Schuey will finish out his contract.
Pool goes like this today (Dec. 16th - 10:43 Argentina time):
Must quit -> 60 votes (50.85%)
Should stay -> 58 votes (49.15%)
Pretty close, hum? ;)
2010 was a warm up for Michael. 2011 will definitly show everybody what he's got to give, for good or for bad.
A big "No" from my side.
I hope he stays! :s mokin:
no I am on a no carb diet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Bump. :)
He's driving like a total Billy ATM, it's time to walk away.
There seems to have been no improvement at all in the performance of either team or driver. Sadly, his career is ending with a whimper. It's not all his fault, but that's how it is.
He sounds like a man ready to walk away. Talking about not experience 'big joy' as he put it behind the wheel ATM.
It did sound as though he now realises that he is under increasing pressure.
While I understand his two comeback seasons have been poor by his high standards. I think the man he is (a seven times world champion) won't just cave in and quit.
The drive and determination that he must have to have achieved all he has achieved will keep him fighting until he gets replaced or the end of the season. I don't see Michael just walking away mid season.
Of course its the natural order for the older to get beaten and left behind by the younger drivers. People must never forget Michael's achievments in F1 and must not remember him only for this end of his career.
We look on now and say he shouldn't have come back, but I for one before he announced his return wondered how he would do against the likes of Hamilton, Vettel and co, and we now have our answer. The next generation takes the sport forward. Remembering all his generation did for F1.
Your pace is slow.
Your defending is offensive.
Your racecraft is gone.
Michael - you need to give up the ghost.