No Eki, as usual you completely miss the point, and don't understand what I've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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No Eki, as usual you completely miss the point, and don't understand what I've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Funny you should say that. Listen to what the head of the jordanian senate said today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...894726,00.html
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In a ceremony commemorating Jordan's independence day, Taher al-Masri, head of the country's senate, spoke of the "state of two united banks", London-based al-Quds al-Arabi reported on Wednesday.
This is a rare and surprising statement, which may be interpreted as granting legitimization to the viewpoint that the Palestinian residents of the West Bank are part of the Hashemite Kingdom.
Speaking before an audience of some 1,000 people, including the royal family and Kind Abdullah II, al-Masri spoke of "the two united banks, with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan emerging on both banks of the holy river."
IMO this applies to all religions....... too many people can't think for themselves and need a crutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
I thought the Mumbai attacks were motivated by the dispute that Pakistan and India have over Jammu and Kashmir.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_a...and_government
Public blatant dictators, thugs and villians have enough people condemning them. You don't need me. Instead I like to raise questions about the covert, maybe smaller, dictators, thugs and villians that usually go unnoticed by many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
You can say that as many times as you like, but it doesn't make my conscious guilty. I wasn't even born back then. We shouldn't be judged by the sins of our ancestors and neither should we inherit their land if we or they left it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Eki do you support Churchill's theories and feel it is right to kill thousands of innocent people just because some Islamists believed the US Govt.policy was illegal?
The only acceptable answers to the question are yes or no.
Note I am not agreeing the US policy was wrong.
What happens if someone gives you land back again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Like the Current government of Finland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Explain why Finland is such a hotbed of all things unholy? When I was there I didn't see anything untoward.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Must be all of that Pony Trekking and Camping, or just Watching TV.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Finland has seriously restricted speech.
seeing that you quote Wiki so much...btw Wiki - Eki ??? coincidence???Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Toiba
"Their professed goal is not limited to challenging India's sovereignty over Jammu and Kashmir. They aims include establishing an Islamic state in South Asia and uniting all Muslim-majority regions in countries that surround Pakistan to raise jihad against all non-Muslim communities"
"Their professed goal is not limited to challenging India's sovereignty over Jammu and Kashmir. They aims include establishing an Islamic state in South Asia and uniting all Muslim-majority regions in countries that surround Pakistan to raise jihad against all non-Muslim communities"
You don't have to take it back. If Russia gave Karelia back to Finland, I'd say it is a bad idea to take it back. Either we'd have to relocate the Russians living there currently, which would be morally wrong if they don't want to leave or we should bring its people and infrastructure to the standards of those in Finland, which would be very expensive and would be morally wrong towards those who don't want to become Finnish citizens or residents of Finland. Maybe some sort of compromise between the two options could be possible to solve the moral problems, but it would still be expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
After having faced genocide and persecution? Sorry, but you have just invoked the Chewbacca Defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0chewbacca.jpg
You make it sound that they moved to a ready made paradise without any objections and worries. Reading this makes me think it would have been easier for them to stay in the postwar Germany:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#...nd_first_years
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After 1945, Britain found itself in fierce conflict with the Jewish community, as the Haganah joined Irgun and Lehi in armed struggle against British rule.[65] At the same time, thousands of Jewish refugees from Europe sought shelter in Palestine and were turned away or rounded up and placed in detention camps by the British. In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.[66] The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, which sought to divide the country into two states—one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city—a corpus separatum—administered by the UN.[67]
The Jewish community accepted the plan,[68] but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[69] On December 1, 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab bands began attacking Jewish targets.[70] Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but they gradually moved onto the offensive.[71] The Palestinian Arab economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian-Arabs fled or were expelled.[72]
David Ben-Gurion proclaiming Israeli independence on May 14, 1948, below a portrait of Theodor Herzl
On May 14, 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel.[73] The following day, the armies of five Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq—attacked Israel, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;[74] Saudi Arabia sent a military contingent to operate under Egyptian command; Yemen declared war but did not take military action.[75] After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established.[76] Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Meanwhile, Israel was accepted as a member of the United Nations by majority vote on May 11, 1949.[77] According to UN estimates, 711,000 Arabs, or about 80% of the initial Arab population of the area that became Israel, were expelled or fled the country during the conflict.[78] The fate of these Palestinian refugees remains a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.[79][80]
In the early years of the state, the Labor Zionist movement led by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion dominated Israeli politics.[81][82] These years were marked by an influx of Holocaust survivors and Jews from Arab lands, many of whom faced persecution in their original countries.[83] Consequently, the population of Israel rose from 800,000 to two million between 1948 and 1958.[84] Most arrived as refugees with no possessions and were housed in temporary camps known as ma'abarot; by 1952, over 200,000 immigrants were living in these tent cities.[85] The need to solve the crisis led Ben-Gurion to sign a reparations agreement with West Germany that triggered mass protests by Jews angered at the idea of Israel accepting financial compensation from Germany for the Holocaust.[86]
In the 1950s, Israel was frequently attacked by Palestinian fedayeen, mainly from the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip.[87] In 1956, Israel joined a secret alliance with Great Britain and France aimed at regaining control of the Suez Canal, which the Egyptians had nationalized (see the Suez Crisis). Israel captured the Sinai Peninsula but was pressured to withdraw by the United States and the Soviet Union in return for guarantees of Israeli shipping rights in the Red Sea and the Canal.[88][89]
In the early 1960s, Israel captured Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann, an architect of the Final Solution, in Argentina and brought him to trial.[90] The trial had a major impact on public awareness of the Holocaust,[91] and Eichmann remains the only person ever to be executed by order of an Israeli court.[92]
Eki you haven't answered my question, post 285.
No, I don't feel it's right to kill, but I understand that it might make some people to kill. I also don't feel that the US should have the right to do everything they do around the world just because they can and no one can stop them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Yes, I do think Churchill understood the reasons why 9/11 attacks happened (they did happen regardless if they were right or wrong).
it has become increasingly appearant that wki-eki is not a finn....he is a troll from an english speaking nation....just look at his writing and obviously spends too much time watching american TV
Finnish TV is full of American programs and news about the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Here is a time line leading up to the rather lengthy quote by Eki from wiki.
I saw a show on "The History Chanel" a long time ago, about how a Jewish unit of the British Military made a complete copy of themselves and were responsible for a large part of the relocation at (or near) the end of WW2 against the orders of the Brits as they feared a conflict with the natives. I believe it was lead by "Old One Eye" but I could be wrong on that one. I'll look for a link!
This story to be continued!
3000BC -- Canaanites inhabit Palestine
1125BC -- Israelites conquer the Canaanites
1050BC -- Philistines conquer Israelites.
1000BC -- Under King David, Israelites conquer Philistines and establish the nation of Israel. After his son, King Solomon dies, Israel becomes divided: the north becoming Israel and the south becoming Judah.
722BC -- Israel falls to Assyria
586BC -- Babylon captures Judah -- This defeat resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and the exile of most of the Jews to Babylon -- the so-called Babylonian captivity.
539BC -- Under Cyrus the Great, the Persians conquered Babylonia. The Jews were allowed to return to Judaea, a district in Palestine.
333BC -- Alexander the Great captures Palestine. His successors -- the Egyptian Ptolemies and the Syrian Seleucids -- tried without success to force Greek culture and religion on the people.
141-63BC -- The Jews revolted and established an independent state. This lasted until Pompey the Great conquered Palestine for Rome and made it a province of the Roman Empire ruled by Jewish kings. Rome ruled Palestine for about 700 years.
638AD -- Palestine is invaded by Muslim Arab armies that capture Jerusalem. Thus begins 1300 years of Muslim presence in what becomes known as Filastin.
1517 -- The Mamelukes are defeated by the Ottomans, who rule Palestine for the next four hundred years -- until the winter of 1917-18.
1880s -- With the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe, Jews begin to migrate to Palestine.
1917-18 -- The British takes Palestine from the Ottomans at the end of World War I.
1917 -- Britain creates Balfour Declaration that outlines conditions to create a "national home" for Jews in Palestine. With this declaration, Britain hoped to gain the support of the Jews for the Allied cause in World War I.
July 24 1922 -- The declaration was incorporated into the League of Nations mandate for Palestine. It outlines the terms under which Britain was given responsibility for temporary administration of the country. The mandate lasted from 1922-1948.
1935 -- Over 60,000 Jews come into Palestine.
1936 -- Because of a fear of Jewish domination, an Arab revolt broke out. This continues on and off until 1939.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/662005/posts
I may have the wrong country in mind, but don't you have like a huge naked party,Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
complete with parade and other revelry to welcome in spring.
Or is that Norway?
Can't be too much wrong with a country that promotes something like that IMO!
We are a little too puritanical to embrace something that fun! :p
No, we usually don't have huge naked parties. There's a party on 1st of May to welcome spring, but most people have their clothes on in public places even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
On 1st of May, university freshmen are dipped in cold water for example, but not much nudity:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...070501_022.JPG
That is disappointing :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
When? I don't believe I asserted that - If I did... LINK PLEASE :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Also, contained within that lovely wiki document you posted contains, the flaw to your theory in post #27.
You said they were given their land back. To me it seems that they weren't given, but they TOOK it back using armed forced, or terrorism as some might say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Quote:
After 1945, Britain found itself in fierce conflict with the Jewish community, as the Haganah joined Irgun and Lehi in armed struggle against British rule.[65] At the same time, thousands of Jewish refugees from Europe sought shelter in Palestine and were turned away or rounded up and placed in detention camps by the British. In 1947, the British government withdrew from the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews.
And the very next line from your post is:
The newly created United Nations approved the Partition Plan for Palestine (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181)
Here that is:
http://www.undemocracy.com/A-RES-181%28II%29.pdf
Thank you and Checkmate.
Not only given the land, but with the full force of the UN no less, and in agreement with the Balfour Declaration in 1917, and the British Mandate for Palestine:
by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,
As I said on another thread, don't let the law, facts and the history of the UN's resolutions get in the way of a good Eki Rant. I suspect a hijack of thread onto another tack is coming from the pugnacious but rather wandering mind of Eki, every dictator's favourite useful troll...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
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Originally Posted by markabilly
Bingo...just blew your cover, troll....tell us all how is the job at taco bell goingQuote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I'm sure the Palestinians have not fired enough rockets and thrown enough rocks, because the UN has not given their land back. The UN showed that terrorism works when it gave Israel to the Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
When was it ever theirs, pray tell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Before 1923? No, it was owned by the Ottoman Empire
Between 1923 and 1948? No, it was owned by Britain as the British Mandate
After 1948? No, it was owned by Israel
Between 1948 and 1967? No, the West Bank was owned by Jordan
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...raelJordan.pdf
Where then is the claim? After 1967 by the PLO who was a defined terrorist organisation which even Jordan denounced?
When?
The problem with your statement is that it was not the Pals land even if you claim it was.
Of course you, as usual, put down the UN when they did or do something you disagree with but always quote them when you agree with them.
Eki keeps trying to prove Jews never were in Israel, or the first people to make a home there....sort of like being a Holocaust denier in a sense isn't it?
Of course, they aren't always right, but are sometimes right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
Disclaimer: "Right" here means what is right in my opinion, others may disagree.
SORT OF????Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
:rotflmao:
ekiwiki is a holier than thou troll from an english speaking country who hates jews :rolleyes:
back to the point
of course the real question is just how does Eki get the cream into those tacos?Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
same as the pedo prophet and his followers, no doubt