Hamilton's Driving

OK classy Jenson drive this race as I mentioned above. You bagged some points this race Lewis, but still, 11 points short of Jenson.

The season is still long ofcourse.

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Originally Posted by henners88

It might be boring but you guys just love to talk about it.. ;)

I think its rather dull and boring that people will happily ignore the other comments drivers make simply to bash Lewis. Still it seems to be contributing to his reputation of being the most popular and talked about F1 driver.. :)

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Both you and Lewis are very entertaining .

How about a comment on how you think the two different approaches to how they treat thier team will affect the atmosphere in the garage , or are you looking to duck that issue for Lewis here ?

I will slag anyone who gets paid a fat wad and turns on his team .

You made a flip comment , and I replied .


Lewis doesn't want to taint his rep , he says , and then burns the team in front of the world .
Bad form .

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Originally Posted by henners88

I wouldn't say he was childish as such, he was having an unnecessary rant like many drivers out there in the heat of the moment. I certainly understood his frustration when one minute he's being told he's catching the guy in front and then next he's being told his brakes are fading. Could it have something to do with the new rim design and lack of cooling maybe? Just a wild stab in the dark.

It amazes me on this forum however when people get heated over someone disagreeing with them, but expect an F1 driver in an environment they have no experience of, to keep cool in the heat of battle. Thats not a dig at you Mr Jan btw.. :)

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I accept the odd whinge but he does it most races now and it's showing a lack of class. Take Button (who I don't rate as much) who has spent years in a tail end car but has always remained dignified about it. Lewis should take some 'man' lessons from Jense.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Both you and Lewis are very entertaining .

How about a comment on how you think the two different approaches to how they treat thier team will affect the atmosphere in the garage , or are you looking to duck that issue for Lewis here ?

I will slag anyone who gets paid a fat wad and turns on his team .

You made a flip comment , and I replied .


Lewis doesn't want to taint his rep , he says , and then burns the team in front of the world .
Bad form .

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No different to Button moaning down the line at Ross last year about how bad the car was....

It's a non issue that you find entertaining.

Wilco out Baggy.

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Not even halfway and his brakes were fading. He was childish again but I think that most people understood his frustration enough. If McLaren can't source brakes that last 35 laps then they need to seriously look at what they're doing wrong.

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Eh, the radio message was to look after the brakes as wear rate was high, not fading. Your advice would be better aimed at the Red Bulls.....

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well it might cause tension between each side of the garage but both Jenson and Lewis are being highly professional around one another. Lewis getting heated with his engineer is hardly going to wind Jenson up and its not as though he has done a Schumacher and criticized his teammate to the press yet. I think so far they have both showed the other teams how to behave under the strain oif both being highly competitive.

The only people its causing tension for at the moment are the non Mclaren fans, or so it seems.. :)

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I wasn't intimating that Jensen would be wound up .
Far from it , really .

Lewis was angry he didn't have a car that could stand the punishment , and blamed the team , clearly .
Button had his whole afternoon ruined by a silly mistake , and took it with dignity , losing with the team .

And , again , what someone else did has no relevence .

The way Lewis reacted was in stark contrast to Button .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Lewis was angry he didn't have a car that could stand the punishment , and blamed the team

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well, no point in blaming British Gas I suppose....

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Button had his whole afternoon ruined by a silly mistake , and took it with dignity , losing with the team .

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Trouble is, we were not graced with any radio transmissions from Button, were we, so who knows what was said. I don't imagine it was;

JB 'I say chaps, rather hot in the rear today, wht what'
McLaren Team 'sit told old bean, It'll be all tickety boo once the SC pulls in'
JB 'right oh, please pass my kind regards onto that kind soul that blocked the radiator, proper derring do indeed'

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No different to Button moaning down the line at Ross last year about how bad the car was....

It's a non issue that you find entertaining.

Wilco out Baggy.

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You and the other "Lewfosi" will find the "non-issue" a problem before too long if your man doesn't shut up and drive .

Both are like the shoe in a sense , but in different ways .

Ones sees himself larger than the sport , and the other sees himself a part of it .
One sees the red mist and one gets all misty .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

You and the other "Lewfosi" will find the "non-issue" a problem before too long if your man doesn't shut up and drive .

Both are like the shoe in a sense , but in different ways .

Ones sees himself larger than the sport , and the other sees himself a part of it .
One sees the red mist and one gets all misty .

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Nowt wrong with Lewis's driving. Many of his overtakes this year have reminded me of the ballsy all out style of 'Il Leone'

Yours, (red) misty eyed of Maidstone....

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Eh, the radio message was to look after the brakes as wear rate was high, not fading. Your advice would be better aimed at the Red Bulls.....

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Either way he was having problems with the brakes less than halfway through the GP! Do you actually think that is acceptable?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Nowt wrong with Lewis's driving. Many of his overtakes this year have reminded me of the ballsy all out style 'Il Leone'

Yours, (red) misty eyed of Maidstone....

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Nowt wrong , as long as it's on track , and not in the pits .

No question that he is fast .

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Either way he was having problems with the brakes less than halfway through the GP! Do you actually think that is acceptable?

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More like a product defect, not driver ineptness.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Trouble is, we were not graced with any radio transmissions from Button, were we, so who knows what was said. I don't imagine it was;

JB 'I say chaps, rather hot in the rear today, wht what'
McLaren Team 'sit told old bean, It'll be all tickety boo once the SC pulls in'
JB 'right oh, please pass my kind regards onto that kind soul that blocked the radiator, proper derring do indeed'

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Excellent! :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well it might cause tension between each side of the garage but both Jenson and Lewis are being highly professional around one another. Lewis getting heated with his engineer is hardly going to wind Jenson up and its not as though he has done a Schumacher and criticized his teammate to the press yet. I think so far they have both showed the other teams how to behave under the strain oif both being highly competitive.

The only people its causing tension for at the moment are the non Mclaren fans, or so it seems.. :)

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I agree with this.

While I think Lewis does have to be more careful in how he treats the team publicly, we also have to remember that we (as fans) don't get even 1/10th of 1% of the communication and interaction he has with the team.

Personally, I'd be happy to see more drivers displaying some amount of spirit and passion. Since Alesi, Berger, Irvine and certain others retired, these guys have become (mostly) a group of politically correct, corporate robots that sound like they're reading a speech prepared by some PR type. And that's what I find to be boring. So while it wouldn't be wise to alienate the team with too much ranting & raving, I see nothing wrong with showing flashes of fire in the right circumstances.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Nowt wrong with Lewis's driving. Many of his overtakes this year have reminded me of the ballsy all out style of 'Il Leone'

Yours, (red) misty eyed of Maidstone....

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Blow me, thats Codswallop to this tifosi. Il Leone/ Nige he is a propper ****er, and bob's your uncle!

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Blow me, thats Codswallop to this tifosi. Il Leone/ Nige he is a propper ****er, and bob's your uncle!

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Indeed, but he was a ****er that could drive the nuts off a car.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeed, but he was a ****er that could drive the nuts off a car.

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And was utterly thrashed by somebody with brains and finesse in 1990.

Which proves there was something fundamentally wrong with his style of driving, and ergo, that of Hamilton, since you make the comparison between Mansell and Hamilton.

So thanks for proving that.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

And was utterly thrashed by somebody with brains and finesse in 1990.

Which proves there was something fundamentally wrong with his style of driving, and ergo, that of Hamilton, since you make the comparison between Mansell and Hamilton.

So thanks for proving that.

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Evening Tamb.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeed, but he was a ****er that could drive the nuts off a car.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yours, (red) misty eyed of Maidstone.....

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That what got me right knackered

Cheers Tamb'

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Originally Posted by Tazio

That what got me right knackered

Cheers Tamb'

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Lets hope they dont get your left knackered as well.......

Bottoms up.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Lets hope they dont get your left knackered as well.......

Bottoms up.

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I think I'll belt up.
a bit of a waffle this is.
Ta

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I think I'll belt up.
a bit of a waffle this is.
Ta

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Don't forget the maple syrup.

Chin chin.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I wasn't intimating that Jensen would be wound up .
Far from it , really .

Lewis was angry he didn't have a car that could stand the punishment , and blamed the team , clearly .
Button had his whole afternoon ruined by a silly mistake , and took it with dignity , losing with the team .

And , again , what someone else did has no relevence .

The way Lewis reacted was in stark contrast to Button .

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Agreed!

Another leaf Lewis should take out of Jensons book, it will pay off.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Indeed, but he was a ****er that could drive the nuts off a car.

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bit like Hamilton :up:

oh no sorry I thought you meant wheelnuts :p : :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I agree with this.

While I think Lewis does have to be more careful in how he treats the team publicly, we also have to remember that we (as fans) don't get even 1/10th of 1% of the communication and interaction he has with the team.

Personally, I'd be happy to see more drivers displaying some amount of spirit and passion. Since Alesi, Berger, Irvine and certain others retired, these guys have become (mostly) a group of politically correct, corporate robots that sound like they're reading a speech prepared by some PR type. And that's what I find to be boring. So while it wouldn't be wise to alienate the team with too much ranting & raving, I see nothing wrong with showing flashes of fire in the right circumstances.

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wait for things to go wrong in ferrari for alonso. the volcano will explode

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

bit like Hamilton :up:

oh no sorry I thought you meant wheelnuts :p : :dozey:

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dont forget the balls of steel :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

Totally different personalities Bagwan thats all I can say. I'm not suggesting there's an acceptable character template for these guys to fit into, and we'll no doubt see situations handled differently by both drivers. Button showed after qualifying that he can be critical of a fellow driver and can lose his cool ocassionally, but thats a glimpse at the passion these guys have when all they want to do is win. Lewis may speak with his heart instead of his head, but this is also a characteristic which often makes him superior to Button on track. Button is alot more calculating and this often proves a worthy quality. It seems we have two characters and one expectation.. :)

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Both are the red shoe , in different ways .

One sees the red mist on track and in the paddock , throwing anyone under the bus to save himself .
The other stays late with the crew , taking care not to burn bridges .


I would imagine , in the same circumstance , Jensen , rather than spitting venom , would be asking what he could do with brake bias to help .

You see , henners , I see Lewis as well rattled already , judging from how frantically he reacted , even though he was comfortable knowing he would be getting points when Button wouldn't .
The best way for his team mate to get under his skin right now , would be to remain calm , and talk about his title hopes . I don't think Lewis ever thought , even for a moment , that Jensen would get close to his own points tally , let alone lead him .

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Originally Posted by henners88

I get the impression from your posts that you have a keen dislike for Lewis

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JV all the way for Baggy henners. Which is interesting, because JB was 'the enemy' in the BAR years I recall.....

Is Lewis in terms with his chief engineer, Andy?

Well, someone have to nurse him around the track it seems. Fastest laps are important but so are brakes.

Nothing to be a shame of, look at Massa.

I don't know about anyone else, but I often shout at the wife if I take a wrong turn....

.....and that's just pulling off the drive! :laugh:

Consider the stress - both physical and mental, the concentration and the need to get it all right, lap after lap, while changing brake bias, twisting dials, talking and listening over the radio; I'd probably get a little bit narky every once in a while.

Cut the guys some slack, they ALL do a good job.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I don't know about anyone else, but I often shout at the wife if I take a wrong turn....

.....and that's just pulling off the drive! :laugh:

Consider the stress - both physical and mental, the concentration and the need to get it all right, lap after lap, while changing brake bias, twisting dials, talking and listening over the radio; I'd probably get a little bit narky every once in a while.

Cut the guys some slack, they ALL do a good job.

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I would put it in the same category as Alonso's hand waving while racing for position. It's just people having a rant, which really is understandable now and again.

In fact, it's ironic that many people on this forum and others don't apply the same standards of perfection to their own posting as they expect from these drivers.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Massa is the only driver I can remember where his engineer actually tells him where to go faster and how to do it. Lewis certainly doesn't rely on his team to tell him how to go faster in certain sectors on a race track.

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Yeah, that's embarrassing. When he was told in Barca that he needed better exit speed I was cringing. If a racing driver can't work out how to line up a pass then he really should be considering another career.

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Yeah, that's embarrassing. When he was told in Barca that he needed better exit speed I was cringing. If a racing driver can't work out how to line up a pass then he really should be considering another career.

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I disagree. If the thing works, why knock it? It's motivational, and we all do it shouting at the TV. His career finishes when he fails to make the pass.

(Btw, the Spanish GP was in Barcelona. "Barça" is a football club, not the city. Ignore that if you want, just one of my pet hates when people get it wrong)

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Originally Posted by fandango

I disagree. If the thing works, why knock it? It's motivational, and we all do it shouting at the TV. His career finishes when he fails to make the pass.

(Btw, the Spanish GP was in Barcelona. "Barça" is a football club, not the city. Ignore that if you want, just one of my pet hates when people get it wrong)

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I couldn't be bothered to type the whole word :p :

I was being OTT but it's not good that Massa needs to be told how to race properly after all these years in the sport.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I get the impression from your posts that you have a keen dislike for Lewis and thats fair enough, but I think you under estimate him quite considerably. Lewis has never been a turn up and drive sort of guy and you'll find just like Button, he'll work with his engineers late into the night. The BBC ran a series of video's last season where his work ethic was displayed, and one of the mechanics said he actually drives them mad because he wants to know everything. So don't state that there is a difference that Button is the workaholic and Lewis is simply the cry baby who puts in little effort, because I've seen otherwise. He may not be as intelligent or experienced in setup as Jenson, but he's in his 4th season as opposed to his 10th.

Also in 2008 at Silverstone I was in the Mclaren garage briefly during qualifying and witnessed how the team react with him, and its almost a lads atmosphere. I don't think these people are as weak minded as some here like to portray, and would be offended by a frustrated driver on a radio. It makes me laugh to be honest that forumers over emphasize an audio snippet during a race, and feel they can decide just how it is affecting a relationship within a team. Come on, its a cut throat industry Bagwan and these guys are top engineers with thick skins. They deal with frustration more often than jubilation, and I'm pretty sure they don't burst into tears everytime one of their colleagues asks a heated question. ;)

Lastly I feel differently about Lewis being "rattled", and its interesting that you've brought that up. Out of the two drivers, I've noticed Button has seemed the most downtrodden over the last two races and even the BBC commentators have said how chilled out Lewis has appeared in comparison. Button is leading Lewis in the championship yes, but he knows his lead would have disappeared had Lewis not had mechanical failure in Spain, and his performance has been eclipsed in the last two rounds. Button had a dream start at Mclaren which surprised everybody, but as the season progesses and more updates are introduced to the car, we all know which driver is the best at adaptation. :)

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You are brilliant .
You figured out that I dislike Lewis .

Here my analysis of his character :
Lewis drives very well , but he has been told , for a very long time , that he's championship material , on a different plane to the others , and thus , has little respect for them .
When he , or his car , is challenged by others seen in his eyes to be inferior , he has the tendency to panic .
When his integrity is challenged , he becomes totally un-glued .

You , as a card carrying Lewfoso , see reasons for his exploits in every case , whereas I , a guy with no real favourite on the grid any more , see the overview , and the trail of no-nos LewLew leaves behind him .

I had no issues with how he drove this race , but rather with what he said .

And I would imagine , if there had been a juicier radio snippet from Button in the engine roasting stage of the race for him , we would have heard it .
We hear very few transmissions . The broadcast director would choose the most relevent to the moments , and a rant from Button would have been really apt , at the time .
It's not as though we get them in real time either , so a quick check back would have easily found it if it were there .

Perhaps the director likes Button more than Hamilton .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

whereas I , a guy with no real favourite on the grid any more.

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I see what you did there - very clever.

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Originally Posted by fandango

:up:

I would put it in the same category as Alonso's hand waving while racing for position. It's just people having a rant, which really is understandable now and again.

In fact, it's ironic that many people on this forum and others don't apply the same standards of perfection to their own posting as they expect from these drivers.

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He was frustrated , so he showed his anger at the other driver .
He didn't wave at him to let him by .

That's a little different to throwing the team under the bus .


By the way , are you grouping me into those "many people" ?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I see what you did there - very clever.

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Thanks for calling me very clever .
What did I do ?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I had forgotten about Barca and the one which stuck in my mind was Australia when Smedley was telling Felipe to take a wider line and accelerate quicker before entering the main straight. I'm sure it is motivational to the driver but its a very rare thing in modern F1. I remember Sato had his race engineer talk him through the start and told him which side to attack into the first corner from, and Brundle was speechless. Its not something we don't see often but each to their own I suppose and if it works who are we to judge? :)

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Though it of little relevence here , my opinion of Felipe comes from meeting him in '04 in Montreal .
He is a meek little flower , that needs coddling to bloom .

Again , though , not relevent , as this is about Lewis .