Who has some more / last info for R-GT?
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Who has some more / last info for R-GT?
PM welcome. Thx.
It certainly looks like R categories is bringing things comparable to GpA days. If other European countries follow Brit Rally Champ. It could well slow the privateer market for wrc & s2000 works cars.
prodrive and m sport will not like this, as who will buy their ex works cars?
Other countries won't go that way. It's pretty much a suicide. General public will simply ignore BRC and what is it good for when there is no publicity, no public interest? People want to see something special, very exciting. But with FWD cars it's possible only in high speed places where most of common spectators doesn't go and only with top drivers. It's not a long time a go when thousands of spectators disappeared from our stages after ban of WRC cars. Even 4WD Gr.N cars were simply too slow and boring for keeping them. Situation started to improve slowly with S2000 cars but it's still nowhere near the crazy times of early 2000'.
Spot on Mirek. The british association is crazy! You can´t stop development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
The R cars will still be developed.
They are still fast and competitive. It could be a positive move in that it brings rally cars closer to the road cars. Which is of interest to all the car dealers who sell them.
It will be interesting to see how it goes for BRC with just 2WD R category cars. There is a lot of for and against of the BRC doing this though on the british rally forum.
Strange that UK do not follow the R Class concept in total and include R4 as the top class.
Do anyone know why ?
The UK have gone in this direction once before, in the 90s or something, where F2 kit cars was top class - and that was not a huge success if I remember correct.
R4 rules are published. The R4 rules are part of article 260 on pages 24-26.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...2811-12%29.pdf
Remember that BRC went to F2 back in an era when many manufacturers had their 4wd turbo road cars as GpA & N rally cars. Things are different now.
Is it 33mm for R4 ?
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Originally Posted by navtheace
Yes.
And look what they breeded in good rallydrivers since then. How many? None of WRC-top driver caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Just a question. Do You follow rallies live on stages?Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
F2 was pure opposite to what You want to see. F2 cars were pure competition specially built machines. They were even further from stock cars than S2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
The Fiat 500 needs a 1600 R3T, in addition to the 1400 engine !
From Tommi Mäkinen Racing's newsletter:
Subaru Impreza R4 will make its competition debut in Finland in the first summer round of FRC. Joonas Lindroos will drive it Vanajalinna rally in late May.
Testing of R4 parts will start this week in England. R4 parts will be homologated in early March.
http://www.ralli.net/kaikkiuutiset/r...sia-mestariksi
Olivier Quesnel: "Concerning the competition/client department we’re interested in a possible ‘FIA R4’ set of regulations, which will help to develop R3-type cars with 4-wheel drive. It would be a fantastic tool for training young drivers.”
Is this Citroen saying there is a possibility of a 4wd road car so it can become R category ?
Jari Ketomaa tested the new Subaru Impreza R4 in England on Wednesday and Thursday. His first impressions are that R4 is a distinct leap forward from N4.
Testing contract would allow him to start rallies with Impreza R4, but the contract doesn't rule out rallying in other makes. Ketomaa says he's constantly negoating to drive WRC rallies.
Googlish article
Citroen plans to R4
Racing for Citroën was the development of DS3 R3 is a complete success. This will be repeated with an R4 model.
Anyone who is successful in sport can celebrate victories in the series. With 2,000 units sold, the DS3 Racing Racing Citroën a real hit. "The cars were sold in just a few days," enthused sports director Olivier Quesnel, the troops of the special model is the sportiest DS3 laid the keel. "Now we think, to increase its annual production."
In the forging of Citroën rally there at the moment sunshine. The DS3 R3 is not just the sporty spearhead in its class has become the sales figures give cause for joy. "We're way above what we expected," says Quesnel further. "We are proud of the success of the DS3 R3, for which we have created with the Citroën Racing Trophies across Europe a platform."
Quesnel further reveals that the R3 is soon to follow an R4 model. "With the success of the DS3 Racing we would also assume like other model of the DS series. What enters the customer sport we are very interested in the" interested FIA R4 "Regulations". This should be possible to provide R3-model SUV. It is a fantastic training tool for young drivers would result. "
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/h/schla...-r4/index.html
Funny translation: SUV R3? :p
The Mini Countryman is a SUV, is it not? :D
I think a DS4 hybrid with the PSA/MINI 1.6-litre turbo and 4WD (..."an electric motor with 95bhp to the back wheels"), or not? http://www.carsuk.net/citroen-ds4-ra...nned-for-2013/
I've seen some in-car footage of the DS3 R3T and saw that the gears are changed through a paddle shift. Is that correct?
Yes, it's electro-pneumatic system. Honda homologated it a year a go also.
Ok Mirek, thanks for your answer.
The new WRC's doesn't have paddle shifts anymore, right? I just thought that the other classes wouldn't have either...
Yes, they don't have it but it's not forbidden as far as I know. What is forbidden is use of hydraulics (which doesn't have sense with no center differential anyway). I understood the situation the way that it is possible to homologate paddle shift system but under such conditions that no manufacturer fulfilled them.
Document with R4 info for Evo from Ralliart Italy..!
http://www.imperatore-rally-racing.c...hp?page=Doc137
I suppose the Mitsubishi will have longer suspension travelling with the new kit but how much?
I listened yesterday to Total Rally broadcast from last week and there was some talk about R4.
The guy interviewed (George Donaldson, STI, general manager of motorsport projects or something like that) said that they (Subaru and Mitsubishi) didn’t get all they were asking for (I got the impression that it was the manufacturers commission that was the last barrier). The R4 regulations were confirmed to the manufacturers about 10-11th of December.
Anyway, he said that the feedback from the test drivers (Patrik Flodin and Jari Ketomaa) was positive. The R4 was more stable and had better traction compared to a N4 that is quite soft.
One thing his worried about was the weight. He said that they can’t get down to the minimum 1300 kg because of the allowance of the regulations.
It was also mentioned that Renault is exited about the R4 kit for their Megane.
What are the prices for a new R4 Impreza or Evo 10 now?
With the Megane, will that be a FWD R4 car?
R4 FWD is not allowed in the moment, only 4WD according to the rules. Evo X is 26 thousand Euro R4 Kit (for rebuild of N4 car, not stock car). It's already posted four posts above by GTA.
Fabia R2 was presented today. Car is already homologated, some will run in Valašská rally this month.
Price is set to 62 thousand Euro for complete car.
Engine 1.6 16V
Power 132kW/180Hp @ 7500 rpm
Torque 194Nm @ 5500 rpm
Electronics Magneti-Marelli
Gearbox 5-speed sequential Sadev
Suspension Reiger
As said Mirek, presentation of the team is today. During the day we can expect photos from this press session (article - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11855)
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b...405a9c27d8.jpg
To be honest 60ke is exactly "amateur" price...Quote:
Fabia R2 je určena širokému spektru amatérských závodních jezdců
62 000 €, will they be able to sell cars for that, if the Fiesta is 40 000 for a complete car and the C2 Max kit is 34 000 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
How much is a R3 Clio access ?
The Fabia sounded expensive to me ?
Yes, it is expensive, hopefully the performance justify the price. Anyway they are not able to produce tons of them in Impromat Motorsport, so they can't go to low price. But we'll see what future brings...
Hi Mirek!!! Any confirmed for Valasska rally?
Sorry, I can't say the names on public ;)
ok!!! Do you the number of them? Thanks!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I know about two.
i think with such a price it will have the future of the fabia kit car.....