Breakaway series is go!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

If I was Bernie, I would give a contract that stipulated they wouldn't run a direct competitor series.

As there wasn't one, it's a no brainer to sign but if it were me, I would have that clause in to protect myself from this scenario.

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It's really speculation whether such a condition exists. Since no direct competitor existed, would Bernie have even asked for such a condition? As someone else said recently, hindsight is a wonderful thing :)
But even if true, it's not a showstopper for FOTA as there are plenty of good tracks that are either not in a contract with FOM, or will soon be out of contract.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Ioan is right. You can put whatever you like in contracts; but if that particular clause is against the law it means absolutely nothing!

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If a contract requires you to do something that is against the law then it's unenforceable. But it's not against the law to decline to host a particular motor race.

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Originally Posted by henners88

If thats correct then great!!

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Here:

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Originally Posted by EU Commission for Competition

Following discussions with Competition Commissioner Mario Monti, the FIA agreed to modify its rules to bring them into line with EU law. After consulting interested third parties and the Member States, the Commission is now ready to close the file. The modifications introduced by FIA will ensure that :

* The role of FIA will be limited to that of a sports regulator, with no commercial conflicts of interest]removing restrictions in circuit contracts about the hosting of other motor sports events[/b].

Aside from the Commission's concern to ensure that FIA's role is limited to that of sports regulator, the Commission has also taken into account the effect that valuable TV sports rights can have on national broadcasting markets. To this end, FOA agreed to modify the current agreements and offered certain commitments for their future conduct. In particular, broadcasters in the various countries will be invited to tender for the TV rights on the expiry of the current (and any future) contracts.

The parties have also agreed to reduce the length of new free to air broadcasting contracts to a maximum of three years (except for contracts where specific investments justify a length of up to five years).

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http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en

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Originally Posted by EU Commission for Competition

The Commission is satisfied that the conflict of interests identified in the FIA regulations and the restrictions that had been put on circuit owners, F1 teams and TV broadcasters have been ended. This assessment comes after a period of monitoring compliance of the settlement reached in October 2001 with international motor racing body FIA and the Formula One companies. FIA's role is now limited to that of a sports regulator. Circuit owners can, if they wish, organise rival championships and [/u]car manufacturers will in the future be able to participate in races other than those organised by the Formula One company[/u]. Television contracts have also been significantly shortened, which allows broadcasters to bid for coverage of this popular sport at regular intervals.

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http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I would be interested to see a link there ioan.

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Here:

http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/...&postcount=287

Good enough?! ;)

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Originally Posted by AndyL

It's really speculation whether such a condition exists. Since no direct competitor existed, would Bernie have even asked for such a condition? As someone else said recently, hindsight is a wonderful thing :)

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Well for a long time a competitor did exist in the form of CART/IndyCar. So I wouldn't be surprised if such a stipulation was in there, if only to protect against them, not a breakaway series.

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But even if true, it's not a showstopper for FOTA as there are plenty of good tracks that are either not in a contract with FOM, or will soon be out of contract.

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Quite so. The steady drift away from the traditional tracks has left many venues up for grabs.

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If a contract requires you to do something that is against the law then it's unenforceable. But it's not against the law to decline to host a particular motor race.

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That's up to the tracks of course. And if they want to run both they can. However I think neither FOTA or the FIA would want a situation where both series run on the same track and the comparisons that would result in.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

and is just another reason the little beggar crawled to china and other such places

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Don't underestimate the EU Commissions power, nor the people who work there!

As long as CVC/FOA/FOM are EU based there might be some surprises coming for Bernie and Max.

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

how albert park race track can have both racing on the track

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How's about the Eastern states stop being greedy and let the better tracks/venues have sporting events :)

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Originally Posted by Mark

That's up to the tracks of course. And if they want to run both they can. However I think neither FOTA or the FIA would want a situation where both series run on the same track and the comparisons that would result in.

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I disagree the FOTA will want to crush the maxie series on exactly the same tracks by running a couple of weeks exactly there, with cheaper tickets + well known teams and drivers on the offer.

Who will turn up at a track for 100 Euros to watch Manor racing when they just witnessed the best teams and drivers 2 weeks before for half that much!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

How's about the Eastern states stop being greedy and let the better tracks/venues have sporting events :)

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Are you implying that the Western States have better tracks and venues?

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Are you implying that the Western States have better tracks and venues?

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I think he was saying exactly the opposite.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Not sure I understand, is Abert Park both in Melbourne and Adelaide?!

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Melbourne phillip island has motogp world superbikes f1 and now they are complaining about not getting chosen for the breakaway series.

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

Melbourne phillip island has motogp world superbikes f1 and now they are complaining about not getting chosen for the breakaway series.

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I see. It's up to them to convince the breakaway series that they are the better place to be. But Is Philip Island at F1 levels, or are they going to be next year?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Don't underestimate the EU Commissions power, nor the people who work there!

As long as CVC/FOA/FOM are EU based there might be some surprises coming for Bernie and Max.

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I think this is crucial....they have to comply with EU law and could well be in trouble over this!!!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Here:

http://forums.motorsport.com/forums/...&postcount=287

Good enough?! ;)

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Blimey ioan. This is a real red letter day.

I think this is the first time you have actually been right and provided evidence to support your stance.

I'm shocked, stunned, speechless in fact.

I need a little lay down. Please excuse me, I feel faint.....

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Blimey ioan. This is a real red letter day.

I think this is the first time you have actually been right and provided evidence to support your stance.

I'm shocked, stunned, speechless in fact.

I need a little lay down. Please excuse me, I feel faint.....

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Well, while you are at it, you could also acknowledge that I was right in the KERS thread too, about the position of the Ferrari KERS system, now that there is plenty of material around! :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well, while you are at it, you could also acknowledge that I was right in the KERS thread too, about the position of the Ferrari KERS system, now that there is plenty of material around! :p :

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I never said you were wrong. Only that I would be surprised as to me the logical place would be at the transmission rather than the engine.

However, if you have definitive proof now of the layout of the Ferrari KERS system then I'm more than happy to conceed you are right that it's mounted to the engine.

Bluepring or photo should do. Not some Journo article with their best guess.

I just want two races in the usa--somewhere like Indy for the masses

and then seca for me...if i live long enough to see a f1 ferrari, mac, et all swopping down from the top, trying to beat it out of the decreasing radius last corner at the bottom, then I will have lived

(must say, in an effort to make the corkscrew "better", they really removed a major part of the challenge, plus where they moved and put that stupid bridge and moved back the fence, destroyed my favorite viewing spot :mad: :mad: :mad:

It was quite the challenge and still is--their is only one other corner like it to my knowledge with its kind of ambience, eua rouge, and even it has been shaved down---may be others, but i just do not have enough knwoledge to comment)

The old corkscrew, well let me tell you, about half way down, it was very tempting to get on the gas, after all dropping downhill at a very steep rate, also adds speed, but the final curve went from cambered inside to off camber, plus it was a sharply deceasing radius at the end, and was still going downhill--with a wal on the outside from where the hill had been cut back, but not too far...

loved to watch and one could even feel the fear as a rider or driver suddenly realized that extra speed was now about to put him in the wall--funny, how with rossi his first two races there, you could see him at the top, turn to go down and then hit the brakes hard, for really no reason right there, then go down to that last corner of the screw and hit the brakes hard again---and he was always getting passed there about half way down by canadian and us riders who had gotten more use to it..

With the changes and several years of expreience, last year, Rossi was the one doing the passing...

As rossi said that area of the track was not even safe to walk on, let alone race....
oh well,

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I never said you were wrong. Only that I would be surprised as to me the logical place would be at the transmission rather than the engine.

However, if you have definitive proof now of the layout of the Ferrari KERS system then I'm more than happy to conceed you are right that it's mounted to the engine.

Bluepring or photo should do. Not some Journo article with their best guess.

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You'll have to accept what it's in the open, I didn't manage to bribe any Ferrari insider to send me their 780 pages of technical documentation! ;)

Purposely I'm Sure ;)

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/230620...le-leaked.html

Provisional FOTA 2010 schedule:

March 3 - Buenos Aires, Argentina - Last hosted F1 in 1998

March21 - Mexico City, Mexico - Last hosted F1 in 1992

April 11 - Jerez, Spain - Last hosted F1 in 1997

April 25 - Portimao, Portugal - Never hosted F1

May 2 - Imola, San Marino - Last hosted F1 in 2006

May23 - Monte Carlo, Monaco - Current F1 host

June 6 - Montreal, Canada - Last hosted F1 in 2008

June 13 - Indianapolis, United States - Last hosted F1 in 2007

July 1 - Silverstone, United Kingdom - Current F1 host

July 25 - Magny-Cours, France - Last hosted F1 in 2008

August 15 - Laustizring, Germany - Never hosted F1

August 29 - Helsinki, Finland - Never hosted F1

September 12 - Monza, Italy - Current F1 host

September 26 - Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates - Current F1 host

October 10 - Marina Bay, Singapore - Current F1 host

October 24 - Suzuka, Japan - Last hosted F1 in 2006

November 8 - Adelaide or Surfers' Paradise, Australia - Last hosted F1 in 1995/Never hosted F1

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Purposely I'm Sure ;)

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/230620...le-leaked.html

Provisional FOTA 2010 schedule:

March 3 - Buenos Aires, Argentina - Last hosted F1 in 1998

July 1 - Silverstone, United Kingdom - Current F1 host

November 8 - Adelaide or Surfers' Paradise, Australia - Last hosted F1 in 1995/Never hosted F1

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Thise dates are a wednesday, thursday and monday !

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Originally Posted by emporer_k

Thise dates are a wednesday, thursday and monday !

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Add a 1 onto those dates and they make more sense? Pure speculation of course :)

Is there a venue in Finland that is even close to being capable of hosting an F1 evevnt? :s

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Is there a venue in Finland that is even close to being capable of hosting an F1 evevnt? :s

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Are there enough inhabitants to fill the grandstands and make it commercially viable?! :p :

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Purposely I'm Sure ;)

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/230620...le-leaked.html


March 3 - Buenos Aires, Argentina - Last hosted F1 in 1998

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http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...22180229.shtml

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Potential organisers of a future Argentine FIA Formula One Grand Prix must build a new circuit, according to F1 Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone.

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That's just Bernie running his mouth, there are several good tracks in Argentina.

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Originally Quoted by Thunderbolt
Potential organisers of a future Argentine FIA Formula One Grand Prix must build a new circuit, according to F1 Chief Executive Bernie Ecclestone.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...22180229.shtml

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Although this is looking like a completely fabricated leak.
It's my hope that if FOTA break away they "bust Bernie’s balls" as well, thus making his opinion rather useless.
As for Haug, if FOTA breaks away, I believe Mercedes will follow. His voice is just one of many.
I'm sure, like all responsible affiliates the TV deal will be much more important than the facilities stature, and capacity.
There are 9 mos. until this projected starting date. Plenty of time to get the paddock in shape for machinery, and supplies.

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Originally Posted by emporer_k

Thise dates are a wednesday, thursday and monday !

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I was under the impression that the 8th of Nov was Sunday this yr? :p

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Originally Posted by Tumbo

I was under the impression that the 8th of Nov was Sunday this yr? :p

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but not next year............

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Originally Posted by henners88

Just look at their merchandise, for example at Silverstone a Kimi hat was £45-£80 (depending on logo) and a Jenson Hat was £25!! The teams are also very guilty of ripping the fans off so I don't think prices will be anymore rosey in the breakaway series...

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Don't forget that a big chunk of those prices goes into Bernie's pockets!

As for tickets, FOTA would be stupid to NOT lower the rates. Why would they wnat half-sold events like Turkey. Ticket prices and fan access have been one of their proposed priorities from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Purposely I'm Sure ;)

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/230620...le-leaked.html

Provisional FOTA 2010 schedule:

March 3 - Buenos Aires, Argentina - Last hosted F1 in 1998

March21 - Mexico City, Mexico - Last hosted F1 in 1992

April 11 - Jerez, Spain - Last hosted F1 in 1997

April 25 - Portimao, Portugal - Never hosted F1

May 2 - Imola, San Marino - Last hosted F1 in 2006

May23 - Monte Carlo, Monaco - Current F1 host

June 6 - Montreal, Canada - Last hosted F1 in 2008

June 13 - Indianapolis, United States - Last hosted F1 in 2007

July 1 - Silverstone, United Kingdom - Current F1 host

July 25 - Magny-Cours, France - Last hosted F1 in 2008

August 15 - Laustizring, Germany - Never hosted F1

August 29 - Helsinki, Finland - Never hosted F1

September 12 - Monza, Italy - Current F1 host

September 26 - Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates - Current F1 host

October 10 - Marina Bay, Singapore - Current F1 host

October 24 - Suzuka, Japan - Last hosted F1 in 2006

November 8 - Adelaide or Surfers' Paradise, Australia - Last hosted F1 in 1995/Never hosted F1

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Looks like a good list to me! Before we put too much emphasis on the "Never hosted F1" tracks we should remember that before a few years ago, the list would have included Bahrain, Singapore, China, Abu Dhabi, Turkey...

whats the use now. there is no break away series. as we wanted. we all wasted time and guess what we replied 313 times, for a topic which never really existed . Its feels like a friction movie

Once again we all moron's have been cheated

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Originally Posted by race_director

whats the use now. there is no break away series. as we wanted. we all wasted time and guess what we replied 313 times, for a topic which never really existed . Its feels like a friction movie

Once again we all moron's have been cheated

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Anyway I had a good time with this thread :)