I guess Aava could fight with Duval for, may be Petter can later match their speed too.
that would be 5th position after works Fords and Citroen. Interesting fight besides the top 4
Sordo is doing OK, as I expected.
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I guess Aava could fight with Duval for, may be Petter can later match their speed too.
that would be 5th position after works Fords and Citroen. Interesting fight besides the top 4
Sordo is doing OK, as I expected.
With the car Sordo has, the converse would be a pity! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
I can't get rally radio at work.. any reason why yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
He rolled and after that engine cut out and wouldn't restart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minke
He rolled and apprently damaged the engineQuote:
Originally Posted by Minke
Loeb is reeling Mikko in hand over fist... or is Mikko slowing down on purpose?
Well Atkinson is out, Solberg is having issues with his performance, so, nothing from Subaru...
I guess it's gonna be Loeb for a win with Hirvonen and Latvala pushing. It will be easy to finish in the points in this rally with the way everything is going now.
So similar situation to last year - PCWRC battle more interesting than WRC
Wilson out?
Loeb late from start, on course for 30sec penalty
wow loeb obliterated everyone on that ss5, he took away all of hirvonen lead in a single stage.
Ah,so Citroen do do tactics after all!...Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
It seems genuine problem but ...
The fact that WRC.com don't have splits for Loeb.....does this mean that Ford don't either?
Yes, it does
Ah, intriguing indeed.
Ok, Loeb is through the stage with a 30 second penalty, so, he is behind Mikko by 27.4 seconds.
Half a minute is nothing against Loeb, especially when he's behind you on the road...
The really interesting thing is Latvala slowing to let Loeb marginally ahead by 2 secs. Surely he would have been better to have just gone for it on this last stage?
OK, on this whole issue of tactics...
The general consensus all year has been that Ford use them, but Citroen don't. However, at least Ford have been honest about it, even Jari-Mati admitted just now that he slowed on that last stage.
Now however we have Sebastian with an alleged starter problem at the start of the last stage but he manages to get going just behind Mikko. Added to the fact that for some reason he has conveniently shown no splits for this second leg......methinks Citroen have just given away any moral advantage they may have held......
I do not give a damn. Tactics are not forbidden and current running order rules justify use of those so...
well said I think citroen should just admit they are using tactics as well, no big deal if your honest about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlosF
I'm having a difficult time reading here with all the jugdemental bsism this place have developed. Loeb is clever but I don't think it is his style to throw away times like that. It is not a smart tactic to throw away 30seconds in the middle of a race.
Although I don't think its smart for Latvala to give Loeb back all the time, this is getting annoying to me. I support the Ford team, I don't care if they use tactic. But this is excessove, they could do it in the end of the day, why now right away. I want to see a good race not everyone trying to slower than the other. It has become less of a race.
As I said before I believe it would be hard for Hirvonen to match Loeb here. This is very good for him, he should fight as hard as possible and increase his lead. I don't care what tactic it is, this is good fortune for Hirvonen for his title fight back and I hope he can stay in front of Loeb. I will be very disappointed if he also slowed down behind Loeb on purpose. Ford will lose a lot of fans if they do this too much.
yea.. I noticed that.. I'm thinking that Citeron did that on purpose so that the FOrd guys couldn't watch his split times and thus play road position games...Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlosF
The Ford team doesn't rely on wrc.com to check Loeb's split.
I really want or wish to beleive the decision for Latvala to slow down is his own decision and not Malcolm's.
Well...tactics again :mark:
I simply hate this use of tactics by slowing down. I have lost a lot of my support for Ford after Turkey, and maybe Loeb did have a problem with the starter ... or maybe Citroën just wanted to teach Ford a lesson.
There would only be one timing system.. and is Loeb's transponder isn't working (or showing up on WRC.COM) you can bet that the teams would also be lacking Loeb's splits..Quote:
Originally Posted by tmx
gooo subaru.... :confused:
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Originally Posted by Minke
I can tell from very secure sources that this isnt the first time that Citroens splits stop working ... It have happend before that the connection cable to the tracking system have "fell out" in their cars
Just some thoughts about Latvala-Hirvonen comparison. People tend to say that Hirvonen is slower than his younger compatriot, while Latvala himself is a new generation of talent, much faster than even Loeb, judging by his raw speed. But it's not the first time that I notice Latvala is actually fast only when he's helped by better road position. And while he's in the same conditions as Loeb and Hirvonen, he loses to both of them. Combined with his inconsistency... He doesn't impress me at all on gravel anymore...
Nice to see Hirvonen in the lead after the first day. Loeb must finally push in the next days. Good day for Duval, 5th place is excellent. P. Solberg is again very disappointing. It seems Andersson is faster than Gardemeister, why is Gardemeister too slow this year? Or had Garde problems in this day?
I am going now to work.
Actually they are not allowed to do so. Only thing they can do is connect it little bit "loosely": I remember that it was in the rule book that all P1 and P2 drivers should have GPS tracking system connected all the time (to give split times for wrc.com). But I don't think that Loeb played tactics. second on the road is not much better than first.. and to hope claw back 30 sek from Hirvonen is a bit tall task even for Loeb :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Minke
More realistic is the possibility that on the first stage, when Loeb went off, he damaged his car a little bit and therefore some electrical problems appeared such as starter was not working and GPS was lost.
Gardemeister went off on the first stage, hit a bank and got puncture and damaged a car a little bit. On the afternoon stages he was nearly as fast as Andersson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
Loeb was indeed lucky not to roll and not to damage the car:
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What quick work at the wheel. That's why he' 4 times world champion and the rest are nobodys :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
you dare call the rest "nobodys"? I wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Slowing behind is one thing, losing 30 seconds is another. With the speed of competition right now 30seconds is a very big gap. One would not stop in the beginning of the stage unless he can foretell what will happen during the stage.
If Loeb does it ion purpose he could go to Hirvonen and said: I think you are too slow so I gave you some times to make it more interesting.
It's really amazing how calm and collected Elena is all the time, it's like nothing happens around him except his notes.
That's what I call pretty greedy cut :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford