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Originally Posted by JRodrigues
where did you find this "confirmation" ??
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Originally Posted by JRodrigues
where did you find this "confirmation" ??
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It could be done with a Group N+, that would force Ford to sell that Focus Volvo S40 mix that thay have been teasing rally fans with for so long. They know they could sell them I don't know what their secret agenda is for not producing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I am talking about one tread pattern and one compound for each surface (Gravel, Snow, Tarmac), maybe two tires for tarmac to allow for rain but that’s it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
As I was saying how does this differ from current tyre regulations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saabaru
http://www.sportmotores.com/ in portugueseQuote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
thx!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
i did not know that it is official...
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Tomorrow is a quite important day for the future of WRC when the rally commission has it’s meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
There was an interview with Jarmo Mahonen, who’s a member of the rally commission, in the motor sport magazine “Vauhdin Maailma”. In the interview he said neither that the manufacturers, the organizers and ISC doesn’t like the rotations of rallies. The manufacturers have made a proposal to FIA that there should be 8 permanent rallies and 6 rotating. The important rallies for the manufacturers would be Japan, Germany, GB, Monte Carlo, Italy, Greece, Argentina and Finland.
Having read this weeks Motorsport News, it seems as if they've brought back the 'Winter series' Championship idea. Oh dear, and what is that going to do? Personally I'd have 12 rounds, one for every month, a number of 'Classic' events permament. Run the season from January to end May/June - then restart in August till end Nov/Dec. Give each event more leeway in the route for each Rally.
I think the people in charge need a reality check - especially the regs for the cars. But I'm not hopeful.
Hello money rallies, goodbye real ralliesQuote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Go figure? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Out of those 8 rallies, six at least can't be defined nothing else than real rallies.
Both Japan and Germany are both big car markets. Though there are 2 Japanese Manufacturers (are Suzuki pulling out?), and no German Manufacturer - though Ford have a factory - Saarlouis - I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I don't get what your asking. Pierelli supplys the tires but the teams are still guessing on hard to soft compounds aren't they? It's not just one tire for the whole rally is it, they still have to choose between diferent compounds don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
well it would be pretty intresting how they motivate that Finland is there but not Spain or France. And that they consider Finalnd more important then Sweden? Both Finland and Sweden are quite small population wise compared to france and Spain.
Well Finland is the 'Home of Rallying'.
Sweden can rotate with Norway I would think. As for France and Spain, not sure.
I'd like to see mixed surface events, e;g San Remo/Catalunya - the sport needs a shake up - more variety please!!
But Finland is the best rally in the world - we also need a snow rally in each season, that can be solved by Norway and Sweden rotating - I also understand that there is high co-operation between the organising teams in Norway and Sweden so keeping the organisers sharp in the off year is not such a problem for those 2 countries to rotate.
But Finland is the best rally in the world - we also need a snow rally in each season, that can be solved by Norway and Sweden rotating - I also understand that there is high co-operation between the organising teams in Norway and Sweden so keeping the organisers sharp in the off year is not such a problem for those 2 countries to rotate.
That's those other 2 I was refering to.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
As you correctly understood ;) What happened to Safari? What happened to Portugal? What happened to Australia? What happened to New Zealand? Why Argentina?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Thats the question you should ask the organiser of your rally, they wanted to rotate with Norway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
Safari couldn't afford to run it anymore with no sponsor - also it seemed the F1A were no longer too keen on it - which is disgraceful!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JRodrigues
Portugal got dropped because of the 2001 'Mudbath' - plus other 'crowd troubles' and because they were keen to get Germany in the WRC.
Australia lost funding from WA Government - ( I think)
Argentina has to be in as it's in South America - you can't have a true World Championship unless you visit all the continents.
Pirelli provides only one compound tyre for the whole event and everybody uses the same tyre. No guessing, no tyre tactics - teams do not mess with tyres anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saabaru
Wow, how did I miss that one. It is so hard keeping up with everything here in the U.S., you can read everything you can find but you still miss things. Sometimes big things :eek: , thinks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Jaromir Tarabus will start with his Punto in Wales Rally GB in PCWRC (Motoring Club 2): http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7453
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b...ece410642b.jpg
Two interesting stories
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71113
DR if I remember correctly was the global promoter from about 1999 with ISC and was frustrated back then when FIA insisted it was "their championship, their ruleas and their calendar" It looks to me like that the Max & Bernie show still dont want a strong WRC. Especially when you read this - it shows Lapworths frustrations with FIA tinkering when the fundamentals are still not resolved.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71114
Both very short, but interesting interviews. There must be consistency - either the F1A lets the Promoter take full control - a la Bernie - or they don't let Bernie/WRC Promoter have full control. It's totally out of order that one has full say - but the other doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Something drastic is needed, this winter calendar to me doesn't make sense. Where did they dream this up from. I've read that people watch more TV in the winter, so they've latched on to this. Sorry, that won't work - the reason people don't watch the WRC is simple. It's not exciting, or interesting enough. Every event is virtually the same - that needs to change. Have different type events - some short 2 day Rallies, some long 'classic type' 4-5 day events, and finally some current style events.
Honestly, if things don't change I can see the WRC becoming like the WEC, and that's no offence - but a smallish passionate fanbase ignored by the mainstream media/sponsors. Most of it's sponsors are involved in Motorcycles.
In reality, it doesn't matter what happens with F1. This is WRC and it needs it's own agenda, not a carbon copy of another sport's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
To my mind, the sport must determine whether the championship is a sporting contest or a commercial venture. It must decide what it is wanting to achieve with the championship, plot a course and engage partners that will deliver on that direction.
It would be irresponsible to hand absolute control over to a single commercial entity. We've seen the result of going down that road already and it appears to have been pretty unpalatable so far.
DR's comment regarding buying a shop only to then be told what you can & can't sell is a red herring. If you owned a motor vehicle franchise, a McDonalds or any number of other branded outlets this is exactly what happens. It is commercial reality today.
The sport must maintain control and determine a calendar of events much as you have have described here ...... to preserve the culture and uniqueness of the sport and it should then tender the promotional rights which should come with some performance criteria. If you want to play do so, if you don't ... stay away!Quote:
Originally Posted by "
It's actually very simple and only complicated by the agenda of the numerous players, not the least of whom are the interviewees in the articles you've posted.
You make good points, Sollitt, once again. It's completely true that F1 should not be copied but having said that, it's understandable that F1 is being looked up admiringly because it's been such a commercial success in the past 20 or so years. While emulating F1 is not advisable, for benchmarking reasons it's good to take a look at F1's strengths and weaknesses, it's business model et al in order to learn and devise solutions which, while not being direct copies, do sport lessons learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
For example, using common points scoring system scheme has it's advantages due the simple principle of knowledge transfer. People who already are familiar with points scoring in F1 can translate that to WRC easier than if it had completely different scheme. Having said that, because manufacturers' championship points is different (and must be different because there are privateers unlike in F1), the whole need for similar points scheme is a half measure.
I agree but for slightly different reasons. I do see the blatant commercialism as the greatest threat too but don't fear it that much because I trust that conflicting wishes of involved manufacturers would temper that trend somewhat, preventing the most outrageous ideas and trends.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Besides the commercialism, I am against handing the complete control to an outside party because I think that FIA must have control over the sporting and regulatory aspects of the sport, that's their agenda in the first place. However, I do share DR's worry about being told what to sell in the shop you buy so it's a requirement that the promoter has to have a say in how the things are run.
Yes but in case of McD or car dealership you can trust that the franchise owner will do their utmost to promote the brand and give you the tools needed to run that shop of yours because if you don't generate money, they don't get any either. But with WRC, FIA has no vested interest. Sure, struggling WRC doesn't make them as much money as it could but money isn't FIA's number one goal - unlike some seem to think. Instead, there are some who see WRC as the little brother to the F1 and want it to stay that way, effectively opposing any improvement to the situation. I think that to most of the FIA's members WRC is irrelevant, they don't care about it all. And then there is the small minority that feel very strongly about it, most likely those federations that either have strong rallying roots or those who have active manufacturers in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Because of this, WRC needs someone who has interest to improve things and in order to attract that someone and enable him to actually achieve that improvement, a sufficiently broad mandate must be given - with clear, measurable and achievable goals.
I wonder who the three interested candidates mentioned in the article are...
Very good news!Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
With all of this why do people still feel the need to protect the F1A?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
FIA = :mad: Independent Rally championship = :D
Wow, looks like the FIA have had a few too many drinks at the meeting!
1. Managing to scare ISC with putting the license up for renewal when they have two years to run - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71210
2. Not appointing a Global Promoter as requested by Ford, Subaru and others
3. No confirmed calendar for 2009
Motoring Club 2 = number 46 = Jari Ketomaa. Is he really out for wales?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I think Tarabus will drive for Motoring Club 1 or 3 (numbers 45/47)
Just proves what we've all known for years- they couldn't give a toss for the WRC, the sooner it disappears the better. Well they're nearly there.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc_flipper
I don´t know if this has already been mentioned but spanish newspaper Marca lauched a story about a possible VW entry in the WRC from 2011 onwords. The base model would be the Scirocco. The news also states that Carlos Sainz could be the leading figure (as team principal I presume) behind the opperation while Dani Sordo could be in line for a drive with the team.
Of course the Rally-Raid commitment would have to be sorted out first.
I don´t know if there's any truth in this rumour but I believe it would be very interesting.
Links(spanish or portuguese only sorry):
Sp:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/m...o/1172657.html
Pt: http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.plp=st....stories/59273
Apparently FIA said no as the Scirocco is 1810mm wide and FIA's limit is 1800 mm wide cars. Ford and other manufactureres said they would accept the Sciorcco provided the track width was no more than 1800 and Ford said cars are getting larger to accomodate safety features. I dont know what VW's reaction was to the initial no from FIA.
If they've got any sense, walk away and do Touring cars - WTCC/DTM!! VW come showing an interest and they can't find a compromise - thanks F1A.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
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Originally Posted by FAlonso
It has been commented in many Spanish forums but as usual if it comes from Marca it is likely to be a piece of bull.
I won't believe till I hear Sainz confirming it.
As MJW already wrote and by this article in gpweek, WRCC is going to recommend to WMSC not to allow changes to the WRC cars dimensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAlonso
http://mag.gpweek.com/?iid=7164, World ranking for WRC? page 16
It's a good online magazine, very interesting read on a Monday morning.
As for the World Ranking system, is this another gimmick that comes along every week, along with a Winter calender, points for TV stages, etc
I was talking about the car as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Looks like the FIA decided to modify the maximum wide to 1810mm wide, in order to allow VW and Ford's new Focus. Thanks god... wake up FIA!