What Happens Next?

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Originally Posted by OWFan19

I dont want a merger. I dont want any of the amatuers that have basically ruined Champ Car doing the same thing with the IRL. They dont deserve anything in racing, other than being a team owner. Just because they can afford to run a racing series, doesnt mean they are qualified to run it.

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Then why are you here? What does this forum have to offer you? More importantly what do YOU have to offer this forum?

And lest I forget, your pearl of wisdom applies with a slight change of wording... just because he inherited a racing track doesn't make him qualified to run a series. That is PRCISELY what "...king George" was told by CART and that is PRECISELY why he got hit panties in a wad, pulled what would latter be called a "Danica stomp off" and proceeded to dismantle open wheel racing in the US.

Gary

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Originally Posted by OWFan19

There is a saying, if a tree farts in the woods and nowbody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

The car doesnt make a difference if the generalized audience doesnt know about it.

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If clips of the race get onto the news, and the cars are going sideways, it will gain lots of interest. There will be an on-track spectacle to report, besides a massive crash or a punch-up. They won't look like your average formula car, and they won't race like them. They would be distinguishable, and UNIQUE. The fans will love it, and as much as I hate street circuits, they're a good place to start. Fans won't turn up if the cars are driving on rails. They'll turn up if they hear that the cars get sideways. There are a lot of fans of drifting, and if cars have to get sideways to get through the corner the fastest, the fans will come. I'm certain of it. And if fans want it, the coverage and sponsors will come.

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Originally Posted by OWFan19

I dont want any of the amatuers that have basically ruined Champ Car doing the same thing with the IRL. They dont deserve anything in racing, other than being a team owner. Just because they can afford to run a racing series, doesnt mean they are qualified to run it.

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Considering your apparent allegiances, the humor, you may not appreciate. The irony, you may not realize.

The tit-for-tat, self-important goldfish bowl of American Open Wheel Racing is something to behold... pathetic though it may be.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

1. Yes, with the appropriate changes I believe CCWS will be very marketable, distinct and unique. It starts with the cars.
2. Yes! It has potential that hasn't been realised.
3. Not many at the moment, but that can change!

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I can't disagree with a sincere and hopeful reply.

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Originally Posted by garyshell

I find it almost funny how many folks here who are industry insiders hiding behind some pseudonym. They switch roles from telling us everything that is wrong, to telling us how wrong we are, to asking us where things are going to go next and then back full circle to telling us how wrong everything is and how wrong we are with anything we might suggest or offer.

You know it is so easy to say how connected you are and make yourself seem so "in the know" and important. But if you "connected" folks are so all knowing why in the hell are you here asking the FANS what is going to happen next? Do you REALLY want us to answer that rhetorical question? No you want us to play the straight man so you can shoot our ideas full of holes.

So lets just stop this silliness and turn the tables. If the good Doctor, HeelnToe and all the rest of you self absorbed insiders know so much, what does happen next? Be specific, I mean after all you guys are so connected hell you should be able to name names, give dates, quote budgets etc. To paraphrase the good doctor who said: its truth or consequences time, I say it's put up or shut up time.

Gary

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This is a really funny one. Gary, you are clearly the most self absorbed champcar cheerleader there ever was, refuting anything and everything those of us who've actually been involved with the series or the principals have to say...to trash us as those who somehow must be tied to Indycool and his paid IRL words of wisdom...you are the one that needs to get off the high horse of your posts and realize that's what's next for this series is not pretty without removing the head of the snake...a pearl of wisdom from one that obviously knows nothing :) , get your head out of the sand and try and accept that without radical change, there will be no series.

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Originally Posted by OWFan19

There is a saying, if a tree farts in the woods and nowbody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

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To heck with racing! What's this about farting trees?! Amigo, if you can find another of these farting trees, I will get Ripleys on the phone and we'll make some serious money!

But if we take a camera crew out into the woods and you say, "No! I meant a tree falling and a bear farting...", you're going to be walking back to town. :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I can't disagree with a sincere and hopeful reply.

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Of course not :D

I just think it will make Champ Car very marketable and will be the catalyst for success to come.
Hell, it can even happen without requiring the AOW boffins to rip into each other over it!

Because I am mad at Champ Car for running its opperation like a hobbist, then I am an IRL troll.

I had a realiy check this week. I am frustrated with Champ Car. Look at the situation with an open mind and not emotional bond with Champ Car, and the reality looks bad.

My handle is OW Fan, I am an Open Wheel fan. Alex Zanardi was and is my hero. Greg Moore was my hero. I was a CART guy through and through. But this was not what I loved.

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Originally Posted by heelntoe

This is a really funny one. Gary, you are clearly the most self absorbed champcar cheerleader there ever was, refuting anything and everything those of us who've actually been involved with the series or the principals have to say...to trash us as those who somehow must be tied to Indycool and his paid IRL words of wisdom...you are the one that needs to get off the high horse of your posts and realize that's what's next for this series is not pretty without removing the head of the snake...a pearl of wisdom from one that obviously knows nothing :) , get your head out of the sand and try and accept that without radical change, there will be no series.

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I have never claimed to be anything except a fan. I am sick and tired of all of these supposed insiders, on BOTH sides, coming here hiding behind a screen name. I participate in all sorts of forums in my own industry, I have never found any reason to hide behind a screen name. I have never found any reason to say anything about my industry that I would not put my own name on. If I am afraid to put my name on it, I don't say it. Period. It's called CREDIBILITY. Look it up.

We have no way to know who amongst these insiders is really on the inside, who really has some dog in the hunt, who has some ax to grind with a previous employer or employee etc. All because none of these "insiders" has enough balls to say who they really are. Anyone can be anyone they claim to be on the internet. None of you hiding behind a screen name has one scintilla of credibility. Get over it. Respect can not be demanded as you all seem to think. It can only be earned. I have never once demanded any credibility here, I have always and will always say I am a fan, an opinionated fan, no more no less. I am not the one coming here claiming to know how this series MUST be run or who's head needs to be on the chopping block next. No it is the "insiders" doing all that. I am just the one here saying the emperors have no clothes. Especially when the emperors aka "insiders" come here and ask for opinions and then lay in wait so they can tell the fans who respond how wrong they are and how only the anointed insiders can possibly know what is right.

Did I ever ONCE say there was no need for a radical change? I've been quite vocal in calling for some radical changes, not in the managment area because I don't pretend to know the specifics of what needs to be done there, but in the cars themselves because I do feel that as a fan of racing for over 50 years, I do know what has made the racing exciting to a fan in the past and what is missing now. Look at some of the other recent threads for that.

By the way, I'm still waiting for all you experts to tell us what is next?

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

I have never claimed to be anything except a fan. I am sick and tired of all of these supposed insiders, on BOTH sides, coming here hiding behind a screen name. I participate in all sorts of forums in my own industry, I have never found any reason to hide behind a screen name. I have never found any reason to say anything about my industry that I would not put my own name on. If I am afraid to put my name on it, I don't say it. Period. It's called CREDIBILITY. Look it up.

We have no way to know who amongst these insiders is really on the inside, who really has some dog in the hunt, who has some ax to grind with a previous employer or employee etc. All because none of these "insiders" has enough balls to say who they really are. Anyone can be anyone they claim to be on the internet. None of you hiding behind a screen name has one scintilla of credibility. Get over it. Respect can not be demanded as you all seem to think. It can only be earned. I have never once demanded any credibility here, I have always and will always say I am a fan, an opinionated fan, no more no less. I am not the one coming here claiming to know how this series MUST be run or who's head needs to be on the chopping block next. No it is the "insiders" doing all that. I am just the one here saying the emperors have no clothes. Especially when the emperors aka "insiders" come here and ask for opinions and then lay in wait so they can tell the fans who respond how wrong they are and how only the anointed insiders can possibly know what is right.

Did I ever ONCE say there was no need for a radical change? I've been quite vocal in calling for some radical changes, not in the managment area because I don't pretend to know the specifics of what needs to be done there, but in the cars themselves because I do feel that as a fan of racing for over 50 years, I do know what has made the racing exciting to a fan in the past and what is missing now. Look at some of the other recent threads for that.

By the way, I'm still waiting for all you experts to tell us what is next?

Gary

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Gary,
I have seen people say who they are in these forums, and then someone usually a jaded forum member does something outside the forum to cause harm to that persons career. I would love to talk about everything I do, but I dont trust everyone in here. Sometimes I will privately talk about it, but its rare. If a person posts enough acurate threads over a certain period of time, they develope credibilty. Dont second guess, but there are some very credible people in here. Sometime opinions are mixed with facts. Some of us unfortunatly know more than we should, and personally it has ruined certain aspects of racing. Certain people I had high respect for, are trully not what they seem. I just ended a business relationship with a driver whom I would love to tell it like it happened. I wont. Anyone that does, or will do business in this sport wont either. There are too many idiots that would love to make it hard for these people to do business again. I know first hand. I wont make the same mistake again.