Why can't it be both? Can't you have a good time at a Madonna concert and still criticize her wardrobe, political rantings and/or tired dance routines?Quote:
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Why can't it be both? Can't you have a good time at a Madonna concert and still criticize her wardrobe, political rantings and/or tired dance routines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Yes Indy, beer and that over sized piece of fried meat was great. People where great and most that I have talked to feel the same, and talk mostly about good old days,why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Yes,ugly spec racing is not Indy or Indycar, and picking through my post will not change the fact of lowest rating in history because of the product that suck.Typical response from you ,but is not me that bothers you is it? Fact that you are wrong ,and phony product that doesn't sell is your enemy. People like you who would settle for anything keep on preaching, not many are listening anymore I'm afraid.
Anytime you can combine racing, beer and good food is not a wasted day. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
I guess it's what you are calling the "product". Is it racing or the spectacle? I am a racing fan and the racing this year was pretty good. The spectacle, as in faster cars and new lap records, not so much. Personally, I find any competitive race to be enjoyable. From SCCA FVs up to F1. It's the drivers getting the maximum out of the machine they are driving (and not some other machine not in the race) in wheel to wheel competition.Quote:
Yes,ugly spec racing is not Indy or Indycar, and picking through my post will not change the fact of lowest rating in history because of the product that suck.
First, if you truly though it was a "phoney product", why did you spend the bucks necessary to attend?Quote:
Typical response from you ,but is not me that bothers you is it? Fact that you are wrong ,and phony product that doesn't sell is your enemy. People like you who would settle for anything keep on preaching, not many are listening anymore I'm afraid.
And second, you completely misunderstand my position. I still fondly remember the days of the CanAm with the McLarens, Porsche 917s, Chaparrals, and Shadows. Much faster cars than any CART Indy car and a great series while it ran. But the economics were unsustainable. I miss it, but that doesn't mean I spend my time lamenting that today's cars aren't as fast. I agree today's IndyCar is not as good as the days of CART. The problem is that current economics won't support the old CART either. It's still good racing though and I still enjoy it. There's a saying that the only thing in life that never changes is change.
It's not a question of settling for anything. It's understanding the realities. Where there's a chance to make changes, I'll work on it and where it's just wishful thinking, I'll spend my energies on something which will result in a positive outcome.
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Originally Posted by Starter
I did say some might enjoy this type a racing as it could be entertaining. I don't despute it could be fun to watch at times but we know is not real and I will say again, when driver is leading a Indy 500 he shouldn't be a sitting duck,that's wrong. Leading the race last laps is considered bad position, please!That is a phoney product that Indy fans are rejecting in big numbers.
Spend to see the race because I love motor racing, still believe that open wheel will come back to be open wheel at Indy some day, and couldn't be in Monaco .
Understanding the realities means this type Indy light cars and racing ,manufactured passing, is not selling. There are fans who express their opinion on what they like, support the series and don't want to see it die, and there are fans who watch it daying and think they doing something positive by settling for less and cheering how its a best as ever been.
You'd get much less push back from me if you'd cut down on the hyperbola. It's not a "phoney product". The product is real, you just don't care for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Good answer.Quote:
Spend to see the race because I love motor racing, still believe that open wheel will come back to be open wheel at Indy some day, and couldn't be in Monaco .
Perhaps, but there isn't a viable alternative at the moment.Quote:
Understanding the realities means this type Indy light cars and racing ,manufactured passing, is not selling.
I'm sure you aren't talking about me, as I said just the opposite in my post just above yours.Quote:
.....and there are fans who watch it daying and think they doing something positive by settling for less and cheering how its a best as ever been.
Push all you want, it's not about me and what I like. Numbers speak for themselves and it's alarming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
I sympathise with those who have been critical but on balance it was a good race. Reminiscent of the CART/Hanford era with lots of overtaking and arguably too much but it was great to watch drafting and slingshots - this is the type of racing NASCAR needs for their plate tracks.
Its a work in progress but I'd rather watch that type of racing than pack racing on cookie cutter ovals.
Winner winner chicken dinner!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Yep, blindfolded in la-la land are still singing same old boring tune, but reality bites!!!
You know the reality is you could actually look in the mirror and read this to yourself as well. There is a reality that no money exists to do what you keep calling for and most of us agree we also want. The difference is, we don't see a scenario playing out to allow it to happen and we, unlike you, admit that fact. Until someone finds a way to PAY the costs to get the changes we all want, it ain't gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
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