Your political inclinations - who do you vote for?

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I don't think I suggested that car parking charges were responsible for the decline in High Street shopping :confused: I merely suggested it might make people shop in Town Centres more if they could park their Jam Jars without getting robbed blind by Local Councils obsessed with squeezing every last penny out of Motorists. A prime exmple of needless jobs for the boys comrade seeing as you asked for examples. :D

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You should suggest that. BDunnell's comment, "Town centres are declining because not enough people actively need or want to go to certain shops any more;" completely misses the point of why they don't want to go there anymore. Parking fees are obviously not the only reason people might avoid a particular area, but certainly are part of the issue. I know that, absent a strong reason to do otherwise - price or limited availability elsewhere, I take my business where I can park with no charge.

Personally, I vote for the man that will lead us in the right direction. Was that a pun? Anyway, I voted for President Obama twice as I felt he was a spark that was needed and we certainly were wallowing in some serious problems. I also liked Chuck Hagel(as a senator (R). I felt he spoke his mind and was not swayed by party lines.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Personally, I vote for the man that will lead us in the right direction. Was that a pun? Anyway, I voted for President Obama twice as I felt he was a spark that was needed and we certainly were wallowing in some serious problems. I also liked Chuck Hagel(as a senator (R). I felt he spoke his mind and was not swayed by party lines.

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Sure, going for the man who leads us in the right direction is good, but then you contradict yourself by saying you voted for Obama because he gave us a "spark." Those aren't the same.

"[Speaking] his mind" is a bit vague. What was in his mind?

Down through history there are a number of notorious men who were quite adept at providing the spark needed to get people to do their bidding--a very evil bidding.

Sure, an engaging personality helps, but I would hope that a citizen votes for the candidate that squares with their own ethos, an ethos derived from great study and introspection. There are way too many people in the U.S. who vote for a personality, or the "vibe" they get from a candidate, rather than a genuine knowledge of a candidate's:

1) accomplishments
2) voting record (assuming they served in Congress)
3) ethics
4) quantifiable leadership abilities
5) position on various fiscal (most important) and social issues (less important)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you know, I really don't care for the notion that one can work out in any detail how much a teacher is 'worth' to society. Not everything should be, or can be, given a financial worth. This is not the be-all and end-all.

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Of course you don't.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I don't think I suggested that car parking charges were responsible for the decline in High Street shopping :confused: I merely suggested it might make people shop in Town Centres more if they could park their Jam Jars without getting robbed blind by Local Councils obsessed with squeezing every last penny out of Motorists. A prime exmple of needless jobs for the boys comrade seeing as you asked for examples. :D

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Well, it might, but I still think the problems are significantly deeper-seated.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Of course you don't.

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I knew you were anti-education, but not to that extent.

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Originally Posted by Starter

You should suggest that. BDunnell's comment, "Town centres are declining because not enough people actively need or want to go to certain shops any more;" completely misses the point of why they don't want to go there anymore. Parking fees are obviously not the only reason people might avoid a particular area, but certainly are part of the issue. I know that, absent a strong reason to do otherwise - price or limited availability elsewhere, I take my business where I can park with no charge.

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We have covered the reasons why in other recent threads. People go to supermarkets rather than local shops because they consider them cheaper (which, a lot of the time, they aren't), more convenient for reasons other than car parking (which, sometimes, they are, especially for those with full-time jobs), because in some cases of downright laziness, and because more shopping is now done online. The end result is the slow death of traditional high streets. Cutting car parking costs is the proverbial 'finger in the dyke' response.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Another random factoid: 2/3 of my property tax liability (thousands of dollars) goes to fund public education. Guess what? We don't have any children. Not only is this situation socially questionable, it's downright immoral IMO.

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Hyperbole. Also, rather selfish. Bits of my tax contributions go to all sorts of things I don't personally use, yet I don't feel this sense of resentment.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I knew you were anti-education, but not to that extent.

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This is what happens when one tries to discuss stuff with a liberal. They mis-characterize your comments, then attack your character.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Hyperbole. Also, rather selfish. Bits of my tax contributions go to all sorts of things I don't personally use, yet I don't feel this sense of resentment.

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This is what happens when one tries to discuss stuff with liberals. They mis-characterize your comments, then attack your character.