Homophobia

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Originally Posted by Zico

Sigh.. no, I think there is a fundamental difference. Let me put it to you another way... If my partner was say half caste and our child turned out to be white... would it be so wrong of me to feel slightly relieved to know that they wouldn't be on the receiving end of racist comments? That in no way legitimises racists, can't you see that?

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I do actually think this is a bit wrong, I'm afraid.

Don't misunderstand me — I can see you mean entirely well and that your view is held for a caring reason. However, I think the stance is, as I've said, counterproductive and does nothing to tackle the underlying problems. Rather, it seeks to hope they'll go away.

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Originally Posted by Zico

Well as one of the most active people on this thread telling everyone else what they should or shouldn't feel/think regarding someones sexuality I'd say you are effectively promoting it.. no?

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No.

To promote something, you have to suggest that it's a good thing to be, to own, to do, etc. I'm not doing this at all. People are what they are in terms of sexuality. There is no need to 'promote' the various alternatives.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

"Heal the world,
Make it a better place
For you and for me,
And the entire human race." ;)

I.e. don't be a coward, dear Zico, and stand up for what you believe in.

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So I'm a coward? lol. Totally uncalled for.

Let me ask what is so cowardly about wanting your child to not have a difficult life, ie; to not be on the receiving end of negative comments whether it be about their creed, colour, sexuality, gingerness etc... of course I'd stand up, defend and protect them because as a parent that is my responsibility to my children, but I can't be there in their lives 24/7 to protect them. The fact of the matter is... unfortunately the world is full of these types of people and that isn't likely to change any time soon.

You're accusations are misplaced, go attack the real hate crime perpetrators.

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Originally Posted by Zico

So I'm a coward? lol. Totally uncalled for.

Let me ask what is so cowardly about wanting your child to not have a difficult life, ie; to not be on the receiving end of negative comments whether it be about their creed, colour, sexuality, gingerness etc... of course I'd stand up, defend and protect them because as a parent that is my responsibility to my children, but I can't be there in their lives 24/7 to protect them. The fact of the matter is... unfortunately the world is full of these types of people and that isn't likely to change any time soon.

You're accusations are misplaced, go attack the real hate crime perpetrators.

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Oh, don't take it so seriously. ;) It was a light-hearted "attack". :)

Though if I were to continue, I would say that not wanting your child to be something that may be attacked (by these other, evil, perpetrators), even though you know there's nothing wrong with it, is indeed cowardly.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No.

To promote something, you have to suggest that it's a good thing to be, to own, to do, etc. I'm not doing this at all. People are what they are in terms of sexuality. There is no need to 'promote' the various alternatives.

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Ok, I'll accept that, fair enough.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

as I've said, counterproductive and does nothing to tackle the underlying problems. Rather, it seeks to hope they'll go away.

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No, not at all.. it would just be better if there was no issue to arise in the 1st place. As for tackling the underlying problem, your right it doesn't in itself but that does not mean I would not defend my son (I think I covered it well enough in my reply to Eurotroll?)

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Oh, don't take it so seriously. ;) It was a light-hearted "attack". :)

Though if I were to continue, I would say that not wanting your child to be something that may be attacked (by these other, evil, perpetrators), even though you know there's nothing wrong with it, is indeed cowardly.

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I can think of better examples of a coward... one happens to be calling someone such from behind a keyboard thousands of miles away.

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Originally Posted by Zico

I can think of better examples of a coward... one happens to be calling someone such from behind a keyboard thousands of miles away.

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I don't think my view would be any different if we were face to face. ;) Unless you were a psychopath and much bigger than me. :uhoh: But that's unlikely. :)

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Unless you were a psychopath and much bigger than me.

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Precisely my point.

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Originally Posted by Zico

Precisely my point.

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What is? That there are psychopaths around who might be bigger than your children? That they might hurt your children if they found out they were gay?

I'm not going to call you the C-word again, but don't you think that's a bit of a phobia, i.e. an irrational fear?

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

What is? That there are psychopaths around who might be bigger than your children? That they might hurt your children if they found out they were gay?

I'm not going to call you the C-word again, but don't you think that's a bit of a phobia, i.e. an irrational fear?

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I'm from the west coast of Scotland where men are men and the woman are often even manlier. As a teenager at high school in the 80's early 90's we had an extremely effiminate classmate who was bullied day in day out, the ribbing, bullying and practical jokes he had to endure can only be described as evil. It got so bad that he soon left for another school. I'm not sure what happened to him after that but he wasn't a very strong person mentally and I'm not sure he would have been able to cope with it continuing throughout the rest of his school years.
To see or envisage my son going through similar at school (If he was gay) is a thought that makes me shudder... is that an irrational fear?

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Originally Posted by Zico

I'm from the west coast of Scotland where men are men and the woman are often even manlier. As a teenager at high school in the 80's early 90's we had an extremely effiminate classmate who was bullied day in day out, the ribbing, bullying and practical jokes he had to endure can only be described as evil. It got so bad that he soon left for another school. I'm not sure what happened to him after that but he wasn't a very strong person mentally and I'm not sure he would have been able to cope with it continuing throughout the rest of his school years.
To see or envisage my son going through similar at school (If he was gay) is a thought that makes me shudder... is that an irrational fear?

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Mhmm, food for thought...

Perhaps you're not such a "c-word" after all... :p :cheese: