Re: F1 moments you feel have tainted the sport the most!
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Ron Dennis - nothing was ever his or McLaren's fault, his constant whining was more than I could bare.
Couldn't agree more!!!!!! He was a bit of a drip, was he not!!!!!! :p:
Re: F1 moments you feel have tainted the sport the most!
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The 2005 USGP was the lowest point if you ask me. It was a farcical error made by Michellin and then everyone tried to have a go at the Bridgestone shod cars for not giving in to their whining. Poor form and a poor weekend for F1 :(
Honourable mention for The Shoe for his move on JV and to Senna for taking out Prost in Japan. (People that mentioned The Shoe in OZ 94 is a no no, Hill drove into The Shoe, not the other way around).
I'll never agree that Hill was at fault in '94, never. It was a very low point for Schumacher and tainted his first title IMO.
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You are entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it is ;) :p:
In an interview with Hill, he admitted that he got a bit excited and went for the gap in the heat of the moment. He also said, "maybe I should have waited until the next corner". While I have to admit that The Shoe possibly had a badly damaged car (I'm not sure that he realised how badly it was/wasn't damaged at that stage), the footage clearly shows the Benneton in front at the corner with the Williams ploughing into the side of the Benneton and not the other way round. The Shoe didn't do the ramming, Hill did :)
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these do tend to support that argument. There was no room for two cars on that part of the track, and as the overtaking car the onus was on Damon. Schumacher simply didn't torpedo the Williams and he certainly didn't need to get out of Damon's way.
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The 2005 USGP was the lowest point if you ask me. It was a farcical error made by Michellin and then everyone tried to have a go at the Bridgestone shod cars for not giving in to their whining. Poor form and a poor weekend for F1 :(
Honourable mention for The Shoe for his move on JV and to Senna for taking out Prost in Japan. (People that mentioned The Shoe in OZ 94 is a no no, Hill drove into The Shoe, not the other way around).
I'll never agree that Hill was at fault in '94, never. It was a very low point for Schumacher and tainted his first title IMO.
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You are entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it is ;) :p:
In an interview with Hill, he admitted that he got a bit excited and went for the gap in the heat of the moment. He also said, "maybe I should have waited until the next corner". While I have to admit that The Shoe possibly had a badly damaged car (I'm not sure that he realised how badly it was/wasn't damaged at that stage), the footage clearly shows the Benneton in front at the corner with the Williams ploughing into the side of the Benneton and not the other way round. The Shoe didn't do the ramming, Hill did :)[/quote:1csh5gr8]
That is a very lenient way of looking at it. :)
I won't argument it though as I've done that far too much in the past. My opinion Schumacher knew he was out of the race and used the opportunity to take out his rival has remained unchanged for 19 years. I was pleased that in Jerez '97 a similar tactic failed and he was finally exposed and punished. It was incidents like this that unfortunately stopped the best driver in the sports history never being regarded as the outright greatest. Sportsmanship just wasn't in his package, although off track he has always been a genuinely nice guy. I met him in 2004 and was impressed with how he handled the fans and the time he took to sign autographs etc. :)
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That is a very lenient way of looking at it. :)
I won't argument it though as I've done that far too much in the past. My opinion Schumacher knew he was out of the race and used the opportunity to take out his rival has remained unchanged for 19 years. I was pleased that in Jerez '97 a similar tactic failed and he was finally exposed and punished. It was incidents like this that unfortunately stopped the best driver in the sports history never being regarded as the outright greatest. Sportsmanship just wasn't in his package, although off track he has always been a genuinely nice guy. I met him in 2004 and was impressed with how he handled the fans and the time he took to sign autographs etc. :)
I stand by my view of the 94 incident, always have and always will ;)
But I do agree that the move on JV in 97 was unacceptable :( As you say, he is actually a genuinely nice bloke in the real world, but on the track he was ruthless which is probably why he was so successful :)
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That is a very lenient way of looking at it. :)
I won't argument it though as I've done that far too much in the past. My opinion Schumacher knew he was out of the race and used the opportunity to take out his rival has remained unchanged for 19 years. I was pleased that in Jerez '97 a similar tactic failed and he was finally exposed and punished. It was incidents like this that unfortunately stopped the best driver in the sports history never being regarded as the outright greatest. Sportsmanship just wasn't in his package, although off track he has always been a genuinely nice guy. I met him in 2004 and was impressed with how he handled the fans and the time he took to sign autographs etc. :)
I stand by my view of the 94 incident, always have and always will ;)
But I do agree that the move on JV in 97 was unacceptable :( As you say, he is actually a genuinely nice bloke in the real world, but on the track he was ruthless which is probably why he was so successful :)
This is the case with many of the great drivers though. You say that Schumacher's win at all costs approach ensured he couldn't be regarded as the best of all time, which is a fair enough comment. So what about Senna? He had an amazing habit of taking Prost out of the Japanese GP, so Senna then can't be considered as the best F1 driver either having twice intentionally crashed into his rival.
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True for 1990, not for 1989
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Either way Senna was far dirtier than The Shoe was, taking out Prost and punching people when he felt but he is held in higher regard which is strange. Add to the fact that The Shoe has twice the record Senna has (ok I know he tragically died prematurely and couldn't extend his record) and it just doesn't make sense, does it :confused: :p:
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That is a very lenient way of looking at it. :)
I won't argument it though as I've done that far too much in the past. My opinion Schumacher knew he was out of the race and used the opportunity to take out his rival has remained unchanged for 19 years. I was pleased that in Jerez '97 a similar tactic failed and he was finally exposed and punished. It was incidents like this that unfortunately stopped the best driver in the sports history never being regarded as the outright greatest. Sportsmanship just wasn't in his package, although off track he has always been a genuinely nice guy. I met him in 2004 and was impressed with how he handled the fans and the time he took to sign autographs etc. :)
I stand by my view of the 94 incident, always have and always will ;)
But I do agree that the move on JV in 97 was unacceptable :( As you say, he is actually a genuinely nice bloke in the real world, but on the track he was ruthless which is probably why he was so successful :)
This is the case with many of the great drivers though. You say that Schumacher's win at all costs approach ensured he couldn't be regarded as the best of all time, which is a fair enough comment. So what about Senna? He had an amazing habit of taking Prost out of the Japanese GP, so Senna then can't be considered as the best F1 driver either having twice intentionally crashed into his rival.
I think I was the one who made the comment about Schumacher not being classed as the greatest not 555-04Q2. I said Schumacher IMO could without question be classed as the 'best' driver in the sports history. I say this because his record speaks for itself. However my criteria for picking a great or greatest is not just about results and statistics. You are right about Senna too. I don't believe he could be classed as the greatest because he had moments where sportsmanship went completely out of the window and downright ruthlessness took its place. I think the likes of Fangio and Clark have a better chance of the consideration.
This sort of opinion though is very subjective and is difficult to judge because we all have different views on what effect these guys have had on us.
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True for 1990, not for 1989
I remember Prost giving an interview in the late 90's where he said he saw Senna before their collision in '89 and could have avoided it, but felt he had the right to take the corner so turned in. I've always felt Prost caused that one, but '90 was a different story. I think it was one each on those. :)
