another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Bag these laws are for law abiding people. Criminals do not obey laws. PETN is illegal in the Middle East.
Arizona has decided to just say screw it - got a gun - pack it - if you don't want guns inside your place - post a sign.

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We're not all that different here , as it happens , as we can own , with proper and clean ID and a training course , long guns .
Simply put , though , if you have a handgun , you are a criminal , properly trip permitted , or you're a cop .

It makes things really simple .

At this point I don't own one .
But , I'm moving , at some point soon , out to the new house I'm building , so I'll need a tool for critter control .
A .22 will do . I had a sweet old Cooey when I was a kid .

I guess the question is :"Why would one post a sign inside one's place saying there are no guns allowed ?" .

Why , in fact , would you ban handguns anywhere , especially if they make you feel safe ?

Why are guns not allowed in that school ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Why , in fact , would you ban handguns anywhere , especially if they make you feel safe ?

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Of course, if no-one had a gun, then it'd really make you feel safe. Maybe just invest in an electric fence for scary critter control.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Why , in fact , would you ban handguns anywhere , especially if they make you feel safe ?

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Would you allow absolutely anything that made someone feel safer? There are, after all, a lot of unnecessarily insecure people around. Not once have I ever felt I needed to be in possession of a weapon.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I seriously hope the authorities can trace the supplier of the weapon. But this just enforces the point that, legal or not, if someone has the will and the mindset to do something as warped and twisted as this, they will get their gun by whatever means.

I think it was in Hungerford over here this happened a while back, can't remember the guys name.

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Michael Ryan.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Thats OK I don't believe a lot about you either.

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Really?

Do tell us — how did you manage to get the gun through airport security?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Would you allow absolutely anything that made someone feel safer? There are, after all, a lot of unnecessarily insecure people around. Not once have I ever felt I needed to be in possession of a weapon.

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Even if you did own a gun, and it made you feel safe, what if you are unable to get to it in time if you really needed it to defend yourself from attack? Owning a gun but getting shot while retrieving it defeats the object.

Also, if your house is broken into, say, and the gun is found by the burglar......

Much better to be without a gun.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Michael Ryan.

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Thanks, can't believe it was so long ago.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Even if you did own a gun, and it made you feel safe, what if you are unable to get to it in time if you really needed it to defend yourself from attack? Owning a gun but getting shot while retrieving it defeats the object.

Also, if your house is broken into, say, and the gun is found by the burglar......

Much better to be without a gun.

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There are all sorts of 'ifs' and 'buts' attached to ownership and use of a firearm. All the disadvantages far outweigh any spurious ideas of 'freedom' one might have a result of being tooled-up.

Seems this nutjob used weapons legally held by his mother. US gun controls simply do not work, they make it trivially easy for lunatics to arm themselves. Still: freedom blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think we just have very different societies and its always going to have a clash of opinions because one country is full of citizens that feel they need guns for protection and the other really doesn't have the problem.

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I don't think there's a defensible practical reason for gun ownership in the first country you mention.