Same Sex Marriage

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Ah - there it is then.

Your opinion is better than his, so he should go away, is that what you are saying?

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Did I say 'better'? No. I said his view is ill-developed, which it is.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Well done!

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So, in your view, 'the masses' are anti-gay as a result of encountering 'in your face' gay people? I don't think so. In any case, whose fault would this be?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I in principle want to know what the point of, ie what the utility of marriage actually is. What do people see the point of marriage as? What is marriage for?

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Can't really answer that as I see no utility yet in getting married at this point in time. When the kids arrive there might be some reason but not before that.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Afterall, how many Christians or Jews have worked on a Sunday or taken a day off other than Sunday?

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Not sure about Christians however most people in Israel have days off on Friday and Saturday, especially Friday evening to Saturday evening (Shabat) and they do all work on Sundays.

Same sex marriage?

A bit of advice: accept it, it is a fact and it is not going to go away.

Live with it (if you choose) or decide to make it a pet peeve that will probably make you age faster.

Just my two gay (as in happy) cents.

:s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Bezza

I'm going to throw a question out here, and please BDunnell or anybody else don't take this badly as I genuinely would like to know your thoughts on this:

Q1) Sodomy. Do you believe this to be a natural act in the modern era?

Q2) Do you believe it is natural for heterosexuals to engage in sodomy as well?

Mark, feel free to let me know that this is too far, but I would like to know what people think of this.

It sounds direct - but I'm not trying to be imflammatory. Just to clarify it, my answer for both questions is Yes, within a committed relationship.

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Answers are Yes and Yes.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Do you walk down the street and wonder what the people you pass get up to in their bedroom then? Even the heterosexual ones?

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Well, I'll admit that walking past some women on the street I do wonder about what they do in their bedroom. Maybe it's just me who does this and I should feel ashamed about it?! ;)

oh freaking great thread - Lets all do a daisy chain with a reach around at spa!!

This issue is tricky for the UK and religious organizations. I don't believe that the government should be able to dictate what you can and cannot do in terms of marriage within a place of worship. My opinion is that religious organizations are for-profit groups that are allowed to openly discriminate against various people, not just homosexuals. Therefore, I can see why the UK would give these religious establishments a big 'fudge you' and force the issue with same-sex marriage.

I'm not too sure as to why this is even an issue anymore. Most of the opposition to same-sex marriage I see here in the USA comes from Evangelical Christians and Catholics. I'm not too sure as to why religious establishments have such a perverse obsession with sex and speak out against the nature of homosexuals when: (1) Ted Haggard and various other Evangelical figureheads have been caught red-handed having gay sex, and (2) Catholic priests like to stick their weenies into little boys.

Religion has no right in making any kind of policy, especially 'moral' policy. Religion is inherently immoral.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

This issue is tricky for the UK and religious organizations. I don't believe that the government should be able to dictate what you can and cannot do in terms of marriage within a place of worship. My opinion is that religious organizations are for-profit groups that are allowed to openly discriminate against various people, not just homosexuals. Therefore, I can see why the UK would give these religious establishments a big 'fudge you' and force the issue with same-sex marriage.

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I have no issue with religious organisations having a "right to refuse" to conduct gay ceremonies as long as they stop playing the discrimination card when (for example) businesses seek to enforce in house rules about overt religious symbols. If your private club is allowed to discriminate on the grounds of faith, any other club should likewise be allowed to discriminate on whatever grounds they wish. Opens a huge can of worms, but there is no reason why faith should have elevated status in that regard.