Massage to Indy brass...

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

We still talk about it after all these years don't we?

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Only when someone brings up the point that speed is what is needed to get butts in seats again. When that happens, of course the conversation turns to the apogee of speed reached in the sport, and as can be seen in the video it did NOT put butts in seats. Yet there are those who claim that the numbers prove it, yes? Where are those numbers? Where is that proof?

I still think competitive racing is what draws people in. I have said for many many years, give me more horsepower and less downforce and make that LARGE doses of both. I want at least a 50% increase in one and reduction in the other. I want to see LOTS of braking into corners and lots of oversteer. THAT is what will bring back butts in seats. And no, I don't CLAIM to have any numbers to back it up. Just a gut feeling,but I am honest about it being northing analytical.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Where are the numbers you said prove that speed is required to get folks to watch? You now mvoing to a whole different point, but I'll address it while I wait for your numbers.

I do not necessarily like the looks of the side pods or the bumpers, but I do very much like what they did for the racing last year, namely they brought back some real passing which in my mind is MUCH more important than terminal velocity.

Gary

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Hmm, numbers man? What numbers you looking for? 80s ,90s or after 96 when genius started all this mess, or better yet .2 current numbers. Do you want me to give you numbers of 1993 RA race or Milwaukee race in comparison to last year in speed and attendance. Numbers you want? Numbers of people in this forum who don't give a ..... anymore one way or the other? Anyway you look the numbers, they suck in comparison to past, therefore it must be the product. I know that you and dr feelgood that's lurking around here spreading the good news are trying your best to put positive spin an crap product that no one is buying. Good racing? Oh please, are the standards came to be that low? Well, like I said ,if you like it enjoy it and good luck with it! PS ,I will buy ticket and attend the race close to my city and support the series but I hate direction where this is going and despise spec racing in Indycar , and only purpose of my displeasure is for Indycar to wake up and open competition and development and come be top level formula where they belong, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Hmm, numbers man? What numbers you looking for? 80s ,90s or after 96 when genius started all this mess, or better yet .2 current numbers. Do you want me to give you numbers of 1993 RA race or Milwaukee race in comparison to last year in speed and attendance. Numbers you want? Numbers of people in this forum who don't give a ..... anymore one way or the other? Anyway you look the numbers, they suck in comparison to past, therefore it must be the product.

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I think he is asking for the numbers YOU refered to in your post #63 in this thread. You said numbers don't lie, yet you can't seem to produce those "truthful" numbers.

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I know that you and dr feelgood that's lurking around here spreading the good news are trying your best to put positive spin an crap product that no one is buying. Good racing? Oh please, are the standards came to be that low?

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If you don't think that the actual on track racing this past season was pretty good, perhaps the best in a long time, that I suggest that you don't have a clue what real racing is.

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Well, like I said ,if you like it enjoy it and good luck with it! PS ,I will buy ticket and attend the race close to my city and support the series but I hate direction where this is going and despise spec racing in Indycar , and only purpose of my displeasure is for Indycar to wake up and open competition and development and come be top level formula where they belong, nothing more.

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Still waiting for those who, like you, are calling for new faster cars and motors are going to also tell us how the teams are going to pay for them. Talk is cheap among those who don't have to actually write checks that won't bounce. A lot of verbiage here, but no actual ideas on how to pay for all these new and fast cars. Reminds me a lot of small kids in the toy store crying "I want, I want". Somebody needs to come up with a financial plan before that's gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I think he is asking for the numbers YOU refered to in your post #63 in this thread. You said numbers don't lie, yet you can't seem to produce those "truthful" numbers.


If you don't think that the actual on track racing this past season was pretty good, perhaps the best in a long time, that I suggest that you don't have a clue what real racing is.


Still waiting for those who, like you, are calling for new faster cars and motors are going to also tell us how the teams are going to pay for them. Talk is cheap among those who don't have to actually write checks that won't bounce. A lot of verbiage here, but no actual ideas on how to pay for all these new and fast cars. Reminds me a lot of small kids in the toy store crying "I want, I want". Somebody needs to come up with a financial plan before that's gonna happen.

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Some of us are content with spec racing and .2 and some of us are not. Enjoy!!!

If Brian Barnhart becomes CEO as rumored, all the above arguments will become moot.

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Originally Posted by Nem14

If Brian Barnhart becomes CEO as rumored, all the above arguments will become moot.

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Too true.

Nem14 or Starter, could you elaborate about Brian Barnhart? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by EagleEye

2000 GDF set the close course record in 2000 at Fontana, and I was there and you can see in the video, there was hardly anyone in the stands. I doubt many would argue that the cars then were gorgeous!

Quals:

2000 CART Fontana - Gil de Ferran's Closed Course Record - YouTube

Race:

CART 2000 - Fontana Highlights - YouTube

The race was on ESPN, not ABC, and someone can correct me but I recall a .6 rating.

So not everyone was watching. But, there were certainly more then for the race, than we had last year......

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That's because by the time 2000 came around the split had damaged the sport and teams, drivers, sponsors and fans were divided between two series which dilute everything.

Had the split not occurred, the path that was charted through 1994 was proving very successful. The slowly fell apart as time went on for a number of different reasons.

For 76 years at the Speedway cars went ever and ever faster. The evolution of speed has sat dormant now for practically 20 years.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

That's because by the time 2000 came around the split had damaged the sport and teams, drivers, sponsors and fans were divided between two series which dilute everything.

Had the split not occurred, the path that was charted through 1994 was proving very successful. The slowly fell apart as time went on for a number of different reasons.

For 76 years at the Speedway cars went ever and ever faster. The evolution of speed has sat dormant now for practically 20 years.

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I have said many times, it would have been great to see how the cars would have evolved if there were no split.

Thesplit never should have happened. It wasa disgrace….

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Hmm, numbers man? What numbers you looking for? 80s ,90s or after 96 when genius started all this mess, or better yet .2 current numbers. Do you want me to give you numbers of 1993 RA race or Milwaukee race in comparison to last year in speed and attendance. Numbers you want? Numbers of people in this forum who don't give a ..... anymore one way or the other? Anyway you look the numbers, they suck in comparison to past, therefore it must be the product. I know that you and dr feelgood that's lurking around here spreading the good news are trying your best to put positive spin an crap product that no one is buying. Good racing? Oh please, are the standards came to be that low? Well, like I said ,if you like it enjoy it and good luck with it! PS ,I will buy ticket and attend the race close to my city and support the series but I hate direction where this is going and despise spec racing in Indycar , and only purpose of my displeasure is for Indycar to wake up and open competition and development and come be top level formula where they belong, nothing more.

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I want the numbers YOU said prove that faster cars are what is needed to bring back the fans. I am still waiting for them. I don't like the fact that the cars are 100% spec any more than you do. But I don't see any proof that faster cars will help.

And yes the racing was better this year than we've had in a long time. Can you honestly say it was not better than what we have seen in at least the past five years? Can you say there was no improvement at all?

Where do you see the money coming from to open up development? Because we all know development equal dollars and we're talking dollars in very large boatloads. We no longer have tobacco money or beer money to count on and we've watched budgets decline ever since their loss. Its very easy to say we need mutiuple chassis and open development, but its just empty talk if you offer no method for getting us there. Hell, I'd love to have what you are calling for. I am realistic enough to know its a pipe dream.

Gary